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Re: I need dual band recommendation

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not that well even when it was new. hopefully they're *really* cheap.

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no single router (or any product) is going to be ideal for all
customers or situations.

Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/9/19 8:54 PM, nospam wrote:
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That is why I am looking for a replacement.  They
are cheap.  My customers balk at price of the really
good stuff, such as Watchguard's Firewalls, which include
routers

Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/9/19 6:32 PM, nospam wrote:
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I agree with you except for the reliable part.  Some of
the stuff is very reliable.  Some is a nightmare.

Also, there is no phone number to call.  You can only
chat with them. It is a total pain in the ass if it is
the router that is the issue.  You have to direct connect,
wait an hour on hold, get some instructions, hang up
with them, rewire the router, try to install the update
they say will fix it, the update fails (always), back to
direct connect and an hour on hold ....  you get the
picture.  It sucks.

Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/9/19 7:08 PM, T wrote:
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y to set up
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So far I have recommended customers pitch their Edge Routers
into the trash.  I replaced them with something else.
Problem solved.


Re: I need dual band recommendation

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pitch them this way. edgerouters are great. they're inexpensive and
*very* capable.

however, they're not consumer products and not easy to set up for those
who aren't network gurus. the true power is via the cli.

Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/9/19 8:54 PM, nospam wrote:
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Okay, one crapped out two hours into operations.  It took the
customer over three weeks to respond and over three months
to get a replacement from Ubiquiti.

The replacement was sent with the first firmware
and refused to update.  It also had a dead PoE port,
even though it was configured to be on.

Ubiquiti's service SUCKS.  The customer has been fighting
with them for over a month now trying to get a refund.

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No s***!

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I am and they are still obnoxious to set up.

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I support Linux and love the cli but still find edge
routers obnoxious.

Oh they supposedly have a nice "Wizard" to set them up.
But they do not ship them with the firmware that has the
wizard.  And they won't update. And there are no direction
on line to do it manually.  They way to use the "Wizard".

It should only take me five minutes to set up a router.
Lan network: network, mask, IP address, DHCP server,
DNS.  Wireless: security, SSID, key.  Reboot.
Ubiquiti ain't it.

Best place to store an edge router is in a trash can.





Re: I need dual band recommendation

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the wizards are included in the stock firmware, plus there's plenty of
how-tos online, from ubiquiti and others.

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that takes less than 5 minutes, and most routers don't need a reboot to
take effect.

Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/10/19 6:35 AM, nospam wrote:
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Not when they ship you out of date firmware that the
wizard does not exist in and the firmware won't update.

The wizards are nice, if you can get access to them
and can figure out their weird/cumbersome way of doing things

Re: I need dual band recommendation

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that must be *really* old firmware. the wizards have been there for
years.

why won't it update?

worst case, download the firmware via another computer and update it
directly (also not specific to ubiquiti).

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for edge products, it's in the wizards tab in the top right corner, and
much easier than dealing with their web ui.

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anything older than the ER-X ships with 1.2 (IIRC).  Wizards are a 1.5
or 1.6 addon, though they're kinda bad til 1.8 or 1.9.


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Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/10/19 2:12 PM, nospam wrote:
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Beat me!

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That is what I did


Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/9/19 8:54 PM, nospam wrote:
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Blah. Edgerouters suck.. Ubiquiti trying, and failing, to produce  
something approaching the functionality of Cloud Core Router

Re: I need dual band recommendation

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nonsense.

Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/11/19 5:39 AM, nospam wrote:
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Hardly. I've been using Ubiquiti gear since Day 1.  I've probably  
deployed $100,000 worth of their hardware, but they haven't come up with  
a router or switch that's worth a crap.  Not when you compare them to  
the competition.  Sure, their stuff is better today than it was 5 years  
ago, They're improving, but no.. You take hardware like Netonix's WISP  
switch and there is hardly a comparison.  Short of a firmware update,  
those boxes will run for years, literally, without human intervention. I  
can't remember the last time I saw a piece of Ubiquiti hardware that had  
an uptime of greater than 100 days or so. They'll stay up longer if they  
serve very light loads, but you start pumping a few TB a day through  
them and they go down faster than a broke hooker.

Ubiquiti has spread itself too thin and lost sight of its core business.  
They want to be everything to everybody and are no longer specializing.  
They want to supply carrier class gear, they want to supply SOHO gear,  
and they want to supply everything in between.  Cisco made that mistake  
too.. And they went bankrupt..

Specialization breeds competence.  There's a reason why Brain Surgeons  
are specialists.. There's a reason why a plumber usually doesn't  
moonlight as a framer..

Ubiquiti revolutionized the wireless hardware side of the equation by  
making it truly affordable and easy. They need to stick to that and  
leave the routing and switching functions to specialists. I bitched the  
day they started implementing firewall and routing functions into their  
shit.  Their firmware hasn't been equally as stable since.  I remember  
when you could get 2 years out of a Powerstation 5D before you had to  
reboot it..

Well, enough ranting I guess  :)


Re: I need dual band recommendation
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That does explain what I see with Ubiquite.  Some excellent
stuff and some junk.  And UI's from hell.




Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/13/19 3:22 AM, T wrote:
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It's always one step forward and two steps back for them.  The new AC UI  
8.x is horrific.

On the M class gear (firmware 6.x) you get a separate page for a lot of  
stuff. Site survey for example.  I'll run a survey, print it out, and  
cross check it with available frequencies on a cheat sheet I made that  
has all of them in 5 mhz steps.. Makes it super simple.. Low tech as it  
were.. But I can do it while sitting on the couch..

With the new javascript-hell UI on 8.x you can't do that.. The site  
survey is simply a javascript overlay and you cannot detach it to print  
or even screenshot if the list requires scrolling.

The moment Cambium gets their UI just a tad more polished, develops a  
decent network monitor, and stops doing ultra-retarded crap like  
hard-coding usernames, I'll tell Ubiquiti exactly where they can cram it.

(yeah, they actually hard-code the username of ADMIN into the firmware..  
You can't change it..  Their security guy needs to be fired and then  
sued for gross incompetence)



Re: I need dual band recommendation
On Thu, 13 Jun 2019 23:59:19 -0700, Johann Beretta

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I have an ISP-supplied gateway router here that has both the admin
username and the password hardcoded. (Printed on a sticker on the side
of the unit, with no way to change either field.) With such a
lighthearted approach to security, I'm not sure why they didn't take the
extra step and make the whole thing accessible from the Internet by
default? :-/



Re: I need dual band recommendation

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they probably did, so they can check its status, push firmware updates,
access it for tech support issues, find out how many devices are being
used, etc.

customers who use a verizon provided router can log onto the verizon
web site and see not just their wifi ssid name, but the password too,
as a 'convenience' in case the customer forgets either or both.

i would be surprised if that router didn't also send the admin password.

verizon customers should use their own router, ideally replacing the
provided router, but if that's not possible, in line.

<https://www.speedguide.net/port.php?port=4567
  Verizon Actiontec Routers have a web server listening to this port.
  Verizon FiOS uses it for "secure server connection to automatically
  monitor/upgrade the router firmware when connected to the FiOS
  network using a MOTIVE server connection on port 4567". The firmware
  shipped with Verizon's CPE does not allow port 4567 to be blocked
  easily.

<https://forums.verizon.com/t5/Fios-Internet/Guy-accessed-remote-adminis
tration-port-4567-on-my-router-Thanks/td-p/241017>
  Guy accessed remote administration port 4567 on my router. Thanks,
  Verizon!
...
  From what I've been reading all he needed to get in was the router's
  ethernet MAC address and some administrator password that's
  supposedly available online. Is this correct?

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Convenience usually wins over security.

In the dark ages of conglomerated modem, router, switch, and wireless,
AT&T started out by putting a label under the base of their units with
the login and password inscribed.  Extra credit for making the label
difficult to remove.  None of their customers could find it, but all
the hackers had no problem.  AT&T eventually moved the label to side
of the box, where customers would have no problem finding it.  As an
added security measure, they also included a 10 digit "modem access
code" for making configuration changes.  This was also printed on the
label.  Customer could now find the login and password, but rarely
succeeded in typing the modem access code in fewer than five attempts.
The latest AT&T U-Verse "univeral" box now has the modem access code
in ASCII, with upper case, lower case, numbers, punctuation marks, and
symbols thus making it both impossible to type, but also impossible to
read over the telephone.  (What's an octothorpe)?  The label now
contains only the wireless SSID, wireless password, and modem access
code in very large letters.  Unfortunately, the router IP address,
login, passwords, MAC address and such are printed on the modem in
dull gray on a black background the smallest possible font.

Enter Comcast, who initially inscribed their login and password on a
bright yellow sticker attached to the sides of their gateway boxes.
This was convenient for both user and the hacker.  However, noticing
that AT&T was making their boxes more secure by hiding the label under
the box, Comcast followed suit.  Despite the larger Comcast gateway
boxes, Comcast used a tiny label with a very thin letters in a tiny
size font that required a magnifier to read.  This improvement
graduated to a complaint, so Comcast moved the label to the back of
the gateway, where it could be buried and hidden under the usual
clutter of wires and cables.  At one point, Comcast actually did it
right with the setup information on a big yellow label on the side,
and passwords on a much smaller label on the bottom.  However, that
didn't last.  I'm not sure of the current location and visibility of
the Comcast gateway logins and passwords.


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Re: I need dual band recommendation
On 6/14/19 9:34 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

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Well, I suspect the worry isn't someone locally reading it. Assuming the  
username/password are unique to the device, that's at least better than  
hard-coding in a field that is non-unique and accessible to the internet.

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