Cisco - Thoughtless, Greedy, Consumer-hostile

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Re: Cisco - Thoughtless, Greedy, Consumer-hostile
Wilbur Eleven (for it is he) wrote:

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Poor old Cisco. They see a $67B corporation predicated on people handing
their personal data over for sale to the highest bidder and carrying around
tracking devices that report their every movement back to
Apple/Google/whoever, and they think "we'd like some of that". So they do
it, and what happens? The internet goes nuts. Ain't life a bitch.

And "...encourage any conduct that would violate any applicable law or
regulation or give rise to civil or criminal liability.” If you haven't done
any of that, then I suggest you see a doctor, as it's possible you're
clinically dead.

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Heh. 'Specially on Usenet.

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Re: Cisco - Thoughtless, Greedy, Consumer-hostile
On Friday, July 6, 2012 6:18:32 AM UTC-5, Wilbur Eleven wrote:
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Good grief. What scum.

Dell is doing the same thing with their "Dell Stage" spying software that s=
hips with their new laptops. If you real the EULA closely, it essentially s=
ays that Dell has the right to monitor everything that you do, and share th=
e information with their partners. And then they go on to say something lik=
e, "Except for the service tag, Dell does not collect information that can =
identify you."

But everyone who works at Dell knows that the primary means by which Dell i=
dentifies a computer, and therefore EVERYTHING about the customer that boug=
ht the computer, is the service tag, so this statement a a flat out lie, or=
 misleading at best. The Dell Stage software essentially knows your name, a=
ddress, phone number, email address...everything.

There are people in the world who spend most of their working hours thinkin=
g about how to pimp their customers, and they take great pride in being abl=
e to do so without violating the law. Their ethical standards are atrocious=
ly low. These people spend WEEKS, carefully going over the EULA wording, wi=
th their legal departments, to figure how how to get what they want (pimp o=
ut the customer) without breaking the law and without inadvertently tipping=
 off astute customers.=20

This has got to stop.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

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On Wed, 04 Jul 2012 09:23:26 -0400, Wilbur Eleven

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The original FUD comments:
<http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service

Cisco's back pedaling on the cloud issue.  
<http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/cisco-backpedals-after-uproar-drops-cloud-from-default-router-setting/

Not the best damage control by Cisco but good enough:
<http://blogs.cisco.com/home/update-answering-our-customers-questions-about-cisco-connect-cloud-2/>

How to disable the formerly mandatory cloud based configuration:
<http://www6.nohold.net/Cisco2/ukp.aspx?pid=80&login=1&app=search&vw=1&articleid=25856&donelr=1
The affected models seem to be only E2700, E3500, and E4500.

Personally, I might trust Cisco to manage my customers home routers,
but I would not trust Linksys.  I've seen too many screwups in the
past and see no benift as to why I should take the risk.  I also
haven't seen a remote firmware update that actually works reliabily
(except for IOS style dual flash routers that can store both old and
new versions of the firmware).  For me, it's wait a while and see what
happens.  



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On 7/6/2012 8:16 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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<http://www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-users-out-of-their-routers-requires-invasive-cloud-service
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<http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/07/cisco-backpedals-after-uproar-drops-cloud-from-default-router-setting/
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<http://blogs.cisco.com/home/update-answering-our-customers-questions-about-cisco-connect-cloud-2/>
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<http://www6.nohold.net/Cisco2/ukp.aspx?pid=80&login=1&app=search&vw=1&articleid=25856&donelr=1
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Does anyone know where Linksys ends and Cisco begins? That would be in
regard to both hardware and software.

Maybe the solution is to buy hardware that supports open source firmware
and take the manufacturer halfway out of the equation.



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If I support it, it's Cisco.  If not, it's Linksys.

("Real" Cisco products are in this list here:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/doctypes/prod_series_index_listing_sitecopy.html)

Aaron

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Chuckle...

An easier way is the product name starts with a letter, it's Linksys.
If it starts with a number, it's Cisco.  

There's also an easy way to tell which products are better.  Only
superior products are worth counterfeiting.  Many Cisco products have
been illegally cloned, while I don't know any Linksys products that
qualify.  

If it requires an IT department to maintain, it's a Cisco product.  If
the IT department won't touch it with a 3.05 meter pole, it's Linksys.

There's also a subtle difference in the Cisco logos.  Real Cisco looks
like "CI$CO".  Linksys by Cisco looks like "CISO".  The differences
also are reflected in the pricing.

Software is also easy to differentiate.  Cisco comes with a router
management suite, SNMP MIB's, monitoring utilities, Netflow, and a
magic acronym decoder ring.  Linksys comes with a "Run Me First" CD,
that usually doesn't quite work, and cartoon instructions for how to
use the automagic "One Button MisConfiguration" system.  Both come
with many pages of legalese in a 2pt font, which nobody really reads.

Cisco also offers a wide variety of mutually exclusive options and
add-ons, most of which require a CCNE to untangle.  These options
include human readable printed part numbers identifying everything,
except the product name, which is written in bar code.  Linksys is
much easier because there are no options, no add-ons, intentionally
confusing model numbers, and nothing is labeled.



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