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Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations? CAVEAT
Amethyst wrote:
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We went "virtual shopping" for a TV set for someone in
another group, and this is what we ended up with. If you
shop around, you can shave at least another $20 off the price.

LG 28" Class (27.5" Actual Diagonal Size) LJ400B Series HD 720p LED TV  $167

https://www.frys.com/product/9260599#detailed

But, it's only got YPbPr,Audio-Lin, Audio-Rin, and one HDMI.
Reviews say (as you'd expect) that sound sucks and it
could use a sound bar to help out. A sound bar is a possibility,
it there's a headphone jack on it.

I'd look for a similar unit, with "wide viewing angle" (means
it's not using a TN panel), and see if you could get one with
more HDMI on it or something. Having just one HDMI is limiting,
as you'd want one for an optical player, and one for your Roku.

For example, this one has two HDMI, but maybe the screen
viewing angle isn't the same. In one review I could find,
someone claimed the plastic chassis rattles if you turn
up the volume above 18.

Samsung 28" Class (27.5" Actual Daigonal Size) M4500 Series HDTV  $200

https://www.frys.com/product/9178328

OK, found a spec here (if you can trust this), and it's 178 degrees,
means it's not TN.

https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/61f4d70

Anyway, shop around a bit.

Frys has a good collection to scroll through, but not
necessarily the best price.

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    Paul

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Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:37:11 +0000 (UTC), Amethyst

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Yes.


Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
Char Jackson wrote:
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But he will have no audio unless the monitor has builtin speakers with  
HDMI support. Now the old Roko 2 had a 1/8 audio jack for headphones  
that could be used for external speakers, but the sticks do not.

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Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 19:04:33 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"

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That's an excellent point. He'll get video for sure, but audio only if
his monitor supports it. Every TV would, but monitors are a different
animal.


Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
Am Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:23:24 -0500, schrieb Char Jackson:

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Oh oh... no speakers on the monitor.

Thanks for bringing that unthought of point up!

Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
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  What was it again about not using multiple nyms in a single thread!?

  And BTW, you're welcome, twice, one time for 'Ragnusen  Ultred' (the
*two* spaces persona) and another for 'Bob J Jones'.

  But I'm a little bit disappointed that you can lie, cheat, belittle,
insult, etc., but can't be bothered to acknowledge help/advice/
<whatever>.

Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?


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Yes, I do.  That is how the Roku sends data...via the HDMI channel.

Once you plug it in and set up Roku you and your entire family will be able  
to huddle around that little monitor and enjoy all the best of the free  
channels available.  You'll have plenty of opportunity to make popcorn, open  
a beer, take a leak, whatever you need a few moments for, during the  
commercials.  After a winter or two of that, you may decide that the $8-$10  
per month for Netflix or Amazon isn't such a ripoff after all.

But wait, there's more.

If you would like to have a more comfortable viewing experience by viewing  
via your TV, then get a Roku device that will connect via RCA phono plugs to  
the TV rather than HDMI.  As I said originally, that is model Roku Express+  
3910RW.  It would set you back $35 but that is less than buying a new TV.  
Worth it?  Depends upon how much you value lebensraum.
https://www.roku.com/products/compare



Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
Amethyst wrote:
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Just plug it into the *monitor* and get testing.

    Paul

Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
On 3/27/2018 3:41 PM, Paul wrote:
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What I found interesting is that Netflix has a deal with Comcast, which  
I have, and I believe also FIOS as I suspect from their ads.  Our two  
bigger HD non-smart TV sets with Comcast DVR have a Netflix ap so smart  
TV is not needed there.  I asked someone that works at Comcast's main  
office and he said they do have a deal with them.  There is no other  
option like Amazon on the DVR.  It only takes a few seconds to bring up  
and watch Netflix.

With voice activation on the DVR I can ask for a show and if it is on  
Netflix and I have a subscription I can go and see it for free otherwise  
there is a pay option where it would be added to cable bill.

OP wants to save money and I don't blame him.  My cable TV bill with  
extended cable options and HBO, Showtime and Starz with internet and  
phone is nearly $200/month and I have to fight annually to keep it down.  
  I have a neighbor that switches from Comcast to FIOS every couple of  
years when initial low cost introductory offer expires and they won't  
come down.  My son would do that but my wife would not tolerate it.


Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
On 3/26/2018 6:56 PM, Amethyst wrote:
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Does your TV have a USB port?



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I am a novice to smart TV, but from what I have read 5 Mbps is about the  
minimum for low resolution moves, but that would probably be acceptable  
for TV shows.


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If you can get Netflix through the play station, you may be able to  
access the net and get to the several free, or nominal cost sites.


I don't know about your area but I have found there are quite a lot of  
material available on the local Public TV website.

As for Broadcast TV, you may wish to check this site:

https://www.fcc.gov/media/engineering/dtvmaps

This will give you an idea of the station available in your area.  Many  
broadcast TV station have one primary and several secondary channels.  I  
consider them point channels as the are 5.0, 5.2;  17.1, 17.2, 17.3,  
17.4; etc.   In my area there are five primary channel, and with the  
secondary channel there are a total of about 16 channels to choose from.

You may also consider and amplified antenna.  Use the information from  
the above site to determine the amplification you need for your area.




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Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:17:39 -0400, Keith Nuttle

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No. The router has a USB port.  
The Playstation 3 has USB ports.
The Windows 10 desktop computer has USB ports.

The TV is just these ports which are not USB or HDMI.
http://www.bild.me/bild.php?file=7549633sony_cables.jpg

The TV is just connected to the PlayStation 3 and DVD player.

The only device with HDMI is the one desktop computer and monitor.
  
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We had a friend over who used her Netflix account somehow on the
PlayStation 3 to play to the Sony TV where the Playstation 3 is connected
to the router by wire, so the TV has Internet only that way (through the
PS3).

The TV is a very old model.
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The Internet comes in to the WISP modem and then goes to the router and
then goes to the PS3 and then to the TV.

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That is the kind of advice I was hoping to get!
It didn't even occur to me that the PS3 had HDMI!

I just looked, and the PS3 does have an unused HDMI port!
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I was hoping that the Roku "came with" some free channels.
We don't have any right now, so anything is better than nothing.

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We don't really need TV, so we don't want to go the "broadcast" TV method
which will require an antenna from the roof to the bottom floor which is
just too much work, really, for crummy channels.

What you told me that I didn't know is that the PS3 has that unused HDMI
port!

Can the Roku be connected to that PS3?

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I just noticed that the monitor is HDMI *IN*  
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While the PS3 is HDMI *OUT*.
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Does the direction matter for my purpose if I want to put the Roku
streaming stick into the PS3 to get the TV to be on the Roku Internet?

Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 01:55:29 +0000 (UTC), Amethyst

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Yes, the direction matters. Perhaps the monitor has an additional HDMI
input? You could connect the Roku there.

Alternatively, you can use a device that has 2 or more HDMI inputs and a
single HDMI output. It's sort of like a KVM, but for HDMI video/audio
instead of keyboard & mouse. I use this one, available online for about
$10 or at Walmart for just under $15.

https://www.rakuten.com/shop/sf-planet/product/HD1831-03
Fosmon 3 Port HDMI Switch/Switcher 3 x 1 Auto Switch 3-In 1-Out with
Pigtail Cable

You'd connect the PS3 and the Roku to inputs, and the single output goes
to your monitor.



Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
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To convert HDMI to YPrPb for the back of the TV, should
have been easy.

However, one of the reasons that the digital standards
exist for monitor cabling, is so DRM can be applied to them.

The Roku claims HDMI 2.0a and likely comes with some
2 series HDCP content protection as well. Generally
content protection is applied to 1920x1080 @ 60p.
(I can't provide a cite as to what regulation might
or might not define "pirate ready" interface limits.)
A resolution below 1920x1080, like 1280x720, might not
need protection. The Roku may be programmable,
or perhaps an HDMI adapter can "reflect back" the user
choice of resolution back to the Roku stick so
it does the right thing.

Now, the description of this seems unbelievable. It actually
claims to work with HDMI, and produces Component out.
It claims to support HDCP. I thought this was an "illegal"
combination, but what do I know.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABMK5CW5947

   Support HDCP1.2, support analogue video output up to UXGA and 1080P with 10-bit DAC.

   HDMI video input format: 480i/576i/480p/576p/720p/1080i/1080P
   YPbPr video output format: 480i/576i/480p/576p/720p/1080i/1080P


it doesn't actually output pixel for pixel. It's
probably down-sizing a bit, to stay below the 1920
analog limit. Which is perfectly fine. For example,
if it reduced the resolution of the output to 1280x720
(which is 720p), you'd probably still be pleased with
the picture on the TV set.

You *might* be able to use it with the TV set, like this.
But because these products live in the "crap zone" of
DRM, we have no control over what happens at all... So
be warned, the money may not be well spent. This is how
you get to the TV set with the Roku HDMI version. (An
older Roku had YPbPr, but that version would also have
old firmware and not stream smoothly.)

Router
Wifi
  \            HDMI                YPbPr
   +>  ROKU ---------- Converter --------- TV (YPrPb+Laudio+Raudio)
        |                  |                   5 coax cables w. connectors
        | 5V @ 1A          | 5V
        |                  |
      USB power        Barrel power
      wall adapter     wall adapter

The converter is not likely to come with the five coax cables
needed to connect to the TV set.

YPbPr cable with RCA/Cinch on the ends.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6U636U8127

You'd also need an LAudio/RAudio with RCA/Cinch
on the ends for the audio connection, for a total
of five coax.

The cables seem to come in thin and thick coax types,
and since you really only need a minimal length of
cable, the thin stuff is probably fine.

HTH,
    Paul

Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 01:40:20 +0000 (UTC), Amethyst

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Several? :-) See below.


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As of a year go, there were reportedly 4500+ Roku channels, including
both free and non-free channels. Those are only the Roku-approved
channels available through the Roku Channel Store, however. If you
include the private channels, there's about 2000 more. All of the
thousands of free channels "come with" any Roku purchase.

I'd recommend that you start by visiting the Roku site:
https://www.roku.com/how-it-works

I have 3 Roku devices in the house and love them. At least half a dozen
folks that I know of have purchased their own after playing with mine.


Re: Can a Roku streaming stick be used to get free TV stations?
On 3/26/2018 9:40 PM, Amethyst wrote:

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Get one of the indoor type that is very small, usually a box
about 10" square, and 1 inch thick. They are usually under 30 bucks
at a Walmart (type) store. If it doesn't acquire you any channels,
return it.


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The roku sticks you have can ONLY be connected to a viewing device that has  
an HDMI in port.  For your TV with the RCA ports, you need Roku Express  
3910RW or an older version of same.
https://www.roku.com/products/compare

No Roku will let you view off the air TV stations via your TV in a normal  
manner..

No Roku "comes with" channels.  One must access their channel store - either  
via the Roku device or internet - and create an account.  You can then  
select whatever channels you want to add to the device; that will install  
the bit of code necessary on the device for that particular channel.  
Channels can be added or deleted at any time, the limit being only the  
capacity of the Roku device. I have no idea what that capacity is, most we  
have ever had is 30-40 of which we actually watch 6-8.

There are many free channels, most all will pump out a deluge of ads; one  
needs a high threshold of pain to watch them..  The better channels such as  
Netfliix, Amazon, et al all require a small monthy fee.

You can browse the channel store here...
https://channelstore.roku.com/browse



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All the networks, over the air TV, are fueled by ads but a more tolerable  
quantity.  When one receives them via a cable  type service, those services  
add even more.  IOW, all suck.




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