Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?

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Desperate search, but usenet used to be good for these kinds of topics... L
ooks almost dead now. But COBOL still lives!

Situation is that I have an ancient ThinkPad that runs one application that
 I still use. I think I'm about to break down and port it to a  more modern
 platform, but I'm sort of flexible about things (in my twisted way), so I'
m considering alternatives...  

Right now, the main hassle is network access. After I run the application,  
I have to transfer the results to a website. The ThinkPad has an 802.11b ca
rd in it, but it has never been able to see external websites properly. (It
 worked fine on a wired network, but I shut down my home LAN a long time ag
o and don't want to set it up again for this trivial purpose.) So the Inter
net routing I am currently using is via a retired smartphone. The smartphon
e connects to the WiFi on one side and is tethered to the ThinkPad via a US
B data cable... It works, but it's a nuisance to set up each time I need it
.

So does anyone have an alternative approach so that the 802.11b card can se
e the WiFi network? It seems that this was a capability of the standard, bu
t I can't even figure that out for sure... Under certain flavors of Linux I
'm able to connect to the WiFi, but never in a way that exchanges data prop
erly...

Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:31:44 -0700 (PDT), shannon.jacobs@gmail.com
wrote:

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Look on:

http://www.thinkwiki.org

List your model and check for problems, fixes etc.
I believe some Thinkpads has to have a different Intel driver for the
onboard Intel wireless.
--  
Mr.E

Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 22:31:44 -0700 (PDT), shannon.jacobs@gmail.com
wrote:

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What exact model Thinkpad?  Any idea what model card is installed?

I've been substituting Intel 2200BG cards for the old Thinkpads for
years.  The problem is that the BIOS complains that it's not FCC
approved and will not boot.  There are work arounds available:
<http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card
I use the "NO-1802" fix.

Incidentally, the only programmer whom I know that is making tons of
money only does legacy COBOL programming for financial institutions
with huge investments in COBOL hardware and custom software.  Talk
nicely when you mention COBOL.

--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
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A friend once explained that he was making more money doing COBOL than
he could make doing C/C++. I don't think they're training new COBOL
programmers, and you're right, banks have huge investments in COBOL
code.  

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Hit post too soon,

What about an external USB or PCMCIA/CARDBUS wireless adapter?



Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:41:15 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters

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Sure, that will work just fine.  Much depends on the Thinkpad.  If
it's so old that the USB ports are USB 1.1, it's not going to work
very well.  It should be USB 2.0.  There are a few 802.11g PCMCIA
cards, but most are Cardbus.  USB is generally easier but with Linux,
you have to watch out for chips with broken or missing drives.  Intel
and Atheros are well supported in Linux.  The others, not so well.

Now, if you want specific answers, kindly disclose the Thinkpad full
model number and exactly mutation of Linux with which you're having
problems.

--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:36:38 +0000 (UTC), Jerry Peters

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It's true, but only for the best programmers.  Far too many COBOL jobs
essentially temporary.  The larger financial institutions have enough
COBOL/JCL work to keep a staff of programmers busy.  The smaller
companies do not.  The real problem is that companies that want to
convert their legacy COBOL code to something more fashionable, find it
difficult to find programmers that know BOTH Ada or whatever, as well
was COBOL.  Of course the company could write specifications that
exactly define their existing COBOL program, but that would probably
double their costs and might be difficult to get right.  The closest
I've seen to that working is one company that bought a COBOL to C
converter, ran the conversion, and had a C programmer try to clean up
the resultant mess.  Amazingly, it came the closest to working of any
such effort that I've had the displeasure of watching fail.  After a
few such disasters, the pathologically conservative financial
institutions prefer to maintain their old COBOL code, but on faster
and faster runtimes and platforms.  For example, COBOL.NET, Visual
COBOL, NetCOBOL.
<https://www.gtsoftware.com/fujitsu_netcobol/
<http://www.computerworld.com/article/2554103/app-development/cobol--not-dead-yet.html
<http://www.microfocus.com/products/micro-focus-developer/visual_cobol/index.aspx
Some details:
<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/325177/there-actually-is-cobol-in-net
I read somewhere that some have a option to run with known bugs fixed,
or to emulate the bugs exactly as in the original COBOL runtime.

<http://jobs.monster.com/search/?q=cobol-programmer
There's no count for the number of COBOL programmer jobs available,
but offhand, it looks substantial.

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Yeah, that's what the pundits and alarmists are claiming:
<http://www.computerworld.com/article/2504568/data-center/the-cobol-brain-drain.html
It's true that you won't find college grads with COBOL training or
experience.  However, you will find plenty of programmers, that after
10-15 years of experience, have accumulated extensive knowledge and
experience with all kinds of strange and esoteric languages, which
often include COBOL.  It's also not unusual for a financial
institution to hire an applications programmer, who spends his first 6
months on the job learning the exactly flavor of COBOL used by the
financial institution.


--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

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Yes I know, the company we were working for produced mainframe & AS400
banking software. We were contracted to a very large bank doing IBM
assembler programming. I've spent about half of my career working for
banks, th other half was in manufacturing with some minor stints in
retail & health insurance.  
I learned COBOL as a college student courtesy of a bank where I had a
part-time job in programming. Ended up working for them after
graduating with a BSE.  Did interesting stuff like online ATM's back
in the mid seventies, along with online central files and networking.  


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Sorry for continuing the OT part of this thread.  I set up a small IT
business in the early '80's and we desparately needed
multi-user/networking in the days of CP/M (Unix was a bit beyond our
expertise).  CP/Net and RM-Cobol provided a fairly solid platform
which extended to MSDOS+Novell then Windows+Novell (but not
Windows+Windows Server).  The Cobol upgrades were straightforward.
Customers were amazed at how much uptime they had compared to some
other systems they were running.  Sadly the front end would not sell
and the system, still running well, went into terminal decline a
couple of years back.  Young programmers could not cope with the
discipline Cobol imposed.

--  
AnthonyL

Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
Well, at least this part of usenet isn't as dead as other parts... Glad to  
see it, even if I accidentally triggered another COBOL defense. All I'm goi
ng to contribute to that topic is (1) Money ain't everything, (2) I'm glad  
I never did COBOL on a professional basis, and (3) Python is fun.

Now on the REAL topic, the ThinkPad in question is an X30. I can get the ex
act model and specifics tomorrow, but I'm at a different location today. I'
m pretty sure that the USB claims to be 2.0 and the internal WiFi card is a
 pure 802.11b.

The ThinkWiki website link sounds interesting, though I'm pretty sure I've  
visited it several times already (among a cloud of other websites).

However, that reminds me to ask about the USB boot procedure... Perhaps I s
hould fork it to a new thread, but I think it's related. To experiment with
 alternative OSes, I've been using a USB stick, but to make that boot work,
 each time I have to boot to the BIOS, open up the hard disk devices and mo
ve the USB stick above the regular hard drive, and then save and reboot. EV
ERY time. It says it can save the BIOS settings, but evidently not...  

(Separate question about preparing the USB stick, but pretty sure that isn'
t relevant. However, so far I've used Lubuntu and some Puppy Linux, though  
the machine's hard disk is using GRUB with an obsolete Ubuntu as its primar
y OS.)

Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
On Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:13:26 -0700 (PDT), shannon.jacobs@gmail.com
wrote:

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In retaliation, I can say that:
1.  I am not a programmist and know little about COBOL.
2.  hardware is more fun than software.
3.  Money isn't everything.  It's what you buy everything with.

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I have both an X30 and X31 sitting in the closet.  Nice small and
light machines.  However, the case is so flimsy that I have numerous
cracks and glued pieces that it looks like it was made by Dr
Frankenstein.
<http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X30
<http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X31
I would guess(tm) that it's an X31 because I don't think the X30 had
an internal wireless card.  The X30 has a single USB 1.0 port, which
is basically useless.  The X31 has two USB 2.0 ports, which should
work.  I'm not sure on substituting wireless cards in the X31.  I'll
have to check what's inside mine.

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I can assure you that the Thinkwiki web site will not wear out from
your susbequent visits and will still be useful when you return.  It's
not perfect but it's the best that can be found for the older Thinkpad
machines.

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Check if it saves the date and time.  If not, you have a dead battery.
There is also a strange zone with an almost dead battery, where it
saves only some settings.  Think about a replacement.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=ibm+thinkpad+x31+cmos+battery+replacement&tbm=isch


--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
Going inline with some snipping of unneeded parts...

On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 10:20:57 AM UTC+9, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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Definitely says X30 right below the display, and my memory is that the inte
rnal wireless card was an option. My fuzzy recollection of seeing an X31 is
 that the X31 did say so, but I haven't seen any similar beasts in many yea
rs.
  
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Already found some interesting information there, but the only thread of ho
pe appears to be the firmware upgrade. Exploring that now. Unfortunately, t
he only candidate appears to be the NIC firmware, which says it's 1.07.04.0
0 on the X30, while the ThinkWiki website says 1.04.09.00 is the latest...  
More research, but not sure where?

My other hopeful thread was manual network configuration, but that doesn't  
work. It says it has connected to the network, even though it can't see it,
 but it uses a 10.* IP address, not the 192.* that I tried to specify. Nor  
can it see the AP that it seems to think it is connected to, and the AP als
o denies seeing the X30 while it is connected in this state.
  
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ent&tbm=isch>

Slight progress there. It definitely does retain its clock settings, and it
 even seems to retain the boot order if I reboot directly from the USB stic
k. Using Yumi on this pass.  

Latest experiments with Lubuntu and Tahr Puppy have all failed, however. :-
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Re: Better WiFi solution (802.11b) than USB tethering through a smartphone?
On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:34:13 -0700 (PDT), shannon.jacobs@gmail.com
wrote:

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I just found my Thinkpad X30 Type 2672-4XU.  It has an internal
802.11b card like this.
<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400521144889
On the bottom, is sticker with the 802.11b and the wireless card MAC
address.  It's running Windoze XP and as far as I recall, the wireless
card works.  

--  
Jeff Liebermann     jeffl@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D    http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann     AE6KS    831-336-2558

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