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Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
Horace Algier schrieb am 2016-09-16 um 21:30:

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VoIP providers give you a "real phone number"!

Even many landline systems use VoIP nowadays.

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1) Look for a SIP provider and register a phone number there

2) Install a VoIP app which supports SIP on the phone and use this
number via WiFi

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No - it can also make calls to regular phone numbers. Usually *making*
calls is not for free and you have to pay for a plan at the SIP
provider, but *receiving* calls is usually for free - on a regular phone
number.



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Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
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  We're getting a bit sloppy with terminology here!

  nospam says "voip provideS". You say "VoIP provideRS". (In both cases
the emphasis is mine.)

  Strictly speaking, both sentences are wrong in the sense that they can
be true, but are not neccessarily true in all cases. Luckily you explain
what you mean by later (see below) talking about getting a SIP provider
and phone number.

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Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On 09/16/2016 12:30 PM, Horace Algier wrote:

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Ooma is lovely, but I've never been able to convince any of our friends  
to get one.  ~$4/month.  We let the first year of free premium service  
lapse because it just didn't seem that useful to us.

Add a Sentry anti-telemarker device for ~$57 and life gets a LOT better.  
  Robocalls are killed automatically, along with the numbers of known  
national telemarketers.  Local telemarketers are requested to hang up,  
and we never hear the phone ring.  Humans have to press 0 to be  
connected, and are immediately whitelisted.  We've only had one lying  
telemarketer  ("Hi, this is Jim, do you remember we were talking about  
gold a few months ago..."), who we immediately blacklisted.

--  
Cheers, Bev
    A spokesperson for 60s band 'the animals' has today made a
    public apology saying they were mistaken and there isn't a
    house in New Orleans after all.



Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:23:34 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

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What I think is funny is that I also try to get others to use Ooma.  
Basically, you get service forever for the price of tax.

The device costs about $150 but Costco has it on sale a lot (or at least
they used to).

I also let the premium lapse. It only gave me the option to *conference*
but I can already do that with my cellphone, so, it's not a big loss.

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I never give out my phone number, so I never get telemarketer calls.

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BTW, *four* people I know have used the Ooma ploy to *halve* their Vonage
bill.

For whatever reason, they stick to Vonage because they *think* Ooma will go
out of business. If Ooma goes out of business *after* one year, they still
win, but math is lost on them.

ANyway, at least they can *halve* their Vonage bill, simply by *telling*
Vonage they're gonna go to Oooma. *Instantly* Vonage offers to half the
bill from something like 30-something a month to about 15 or so a month.

Worked four times in a row so far ...  

Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On 09/16/2016 09:50 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
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I think it was $100 when we bought it from Costco.  Every once in a  
while Ooma sends me an offer for  $20 providing I get a friend to buy a  
unit at $20 off -- generally $80 or $90.  I post that too, but nobody  
ever takes me up on it.  They don't even have to say I referred them,  
but NOOOO!

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We've had the same phone number since 1959, so we're in LOTS of lists.  
Recently most of them were for local home remodeling businesses, but now  
it's just <crickets> all day!

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We canceled AT&T (~$30 just for LOCAL calls, no LD at all) when we got  
the Ooma.  GOD I hate AT&T.

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Fear does strange things.

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We have to haggle with Charter to get their "introductory" rate.  It  
worked for quite a few years, but the last one the best they could do  
was $10/month off.  We once DID cancel them for dialup (there's still a  
good local dialup) so we're on record for not making idle threats.  So  
for $54/month we get internet and landline.  Grandfathered T-Mobile  
$10/year plan for cell (no data, of course).  Can't get much cheaper.

--  
Cheers, Bev
    "No matter how cynical I get, it's just never enough to keep up."
                                                   --Lily Tomlin

Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On Fri, 16 Sep 2016 22:55:59 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

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Yup. Costco ran sales all the time on the Ooma Telo and others.  
Most people seem to be *afraid* of Ooma.

They don't want to take any *risk*.

I, myself, think Ooma must go out of business since they make zero money
off of me other than the International calls at about 2 cents a minute.

But, heck - that is what keeps Skype in business - and - as I said, once
you've had Ooma for a few months, it's free after that in that it has paid
for itself over Vonage.  

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OMG. I was only in high school when you got that phone number!

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Yup. We had the Ooma and the landline for a while - but then we dropped the
landline. I wonder if anyone still has a landline?

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Yup. The people who buy Vonage over Ooma do it on fear and fear alone, it
seems.  

Just like the Apple people - I'll be they're the same.

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If you have a tablet, and if you're in the USA, T-Mobile gives you a free
200MB per month. I have two of those. But you have to have a SIM card in
the tablet.

For Comcast cable, I just recently had a kid call me telling me they raised
her introductory rate from about 45 bucks to about 70 bucks because the 12
month introductory rate expired.

In the past, you'd just call Comcast and say "hey, gimme back my
introductory rate" and they'd do it, but they gave us a hard time.

SO, I looked up a house for sale in Zillow, and I impersonated that house
(which, luckily for me, did not currently have Comcast service) and got a
*great* rate (better than her old rate) as an introductory rate.

When we called back with *that* information, they gave her that
introductory rate.  

But it took 4 separate phone calls:
1. She called and they wouldn't lower the rate
2. I called and they wouldn't lower the rate
3. I called as a zillow house - and they gave me a better rate.
4. She called with that information - and they gave it to her.

Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On 09/16/2016 11:32 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
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I checked into that.  Unfortunately, my tablets are sim-free.  Perhaps  
my next phone will have dual-sim capability and maybe then it will work.  
  I live in fear of T-M dropping the $10 plan -- I don't even use the 30  
additional minutes it buys me.  I've got something like 600 minutes banked.

--  
Cheers, Bev
   "I read somewhere that 77 per cent of all the mentally ill live in
    poverty.  Actually, I'm more intrigued by the 23 per cent who are
    apparently doing quite well for themselves."       -- Emo Philips

Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?

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which tablets are those??

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apparently you didn't check into that very much, since t-mobile's free
plan is for tablets *only* and won't at all in a phone, no matter how
many sim slots it has.

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it's not a "$10 plan". it's a monthly pay as you go plan that happens
to have a 1 year expiration for gold members. their monthly pay as you
go plans now have a $3/mo minimum. there also is no data so if you do
get a new phone you'll need to change it.

Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 17:20:08 -0400, nospam wrote:

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Since nospam is more often wrong than he is right, I will concur with him
on this one, in that T-Mobile only offers the free 200MB/month for
"tablets" (whether Android or iOS), so, a "phone" won't be eligible.

So, in this case, nospam is correct (as he is in the case below).
  
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I used to use the AT&T and T-Mobile pay-as-you-go plans, both non-gold and
gold.

With AT&T, they used to suck out three or so bucks a month, so, it was
really a 3/buck-a-month and then pay as you go plan. The pay as you go part
was something like 30 cents a minute (as I recall), so that sucked too.

So I went to T-Mobile, who would just drop the entire amount if I let it
lapse - so that sucked also. Of course, if you kept putting money in, then
it worked fine, and when you got to $100, you became gold.

I think *now* they require a single payment of $100 (I think - but I'm not
sure) whereas in the olden days, you just had to accumulate 100 dollars.

Even so, if you let it lapse, they'd *expire* the darn SIM cards, so I had
to buy a new SIM card whenever I wanted to start it back up, even though
there was nothing physically wrong with the old SIM card (I have a stack of
them lying in a drawer somewhere).

Overall...

Using the pay-as-you-go (for me) was such a pain that I dropped altogether
the pay-as-you-go stuff, in favor of a second phone number on my cellphone
(e.g., sideline) for free.

Even Sideline will drop you if you don't use it - but there's no cost
involved, and, in a way, it's a privacy measure such that you don't always
have the same number.

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projection


so not more often wrong.

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then you were on a shitty plan.

when i used at&t paygo, it was 10c/min, no monthly minimum.

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every prepaid plan drops the entire amount if you let it lapse.

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they don't, but $100 up front is a better deal.

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they don't expire sims that are in use.

looks like you're wrong more than you're right.

Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On Sat, 17 Sep 2016 04:50:57 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

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Really? Your number never gets randomly included in the 0000-9999 sweeps
the telemarketeers' predictive dialing software indulges in? You've got
better luck than I have, Gunga Din :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
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Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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mean "Paul M. Cook"... oops I mean "VPN User"... oops I mean "Joe
Clock"... oops I mean "Marob Katon" ...  oops I mean "Chris Rangoon"...

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  Leave out the "GSM" bit or replace it with something else. By using it
(several times) in this context, you're - once more - showing that you
don't know what you're talking about.

  As to your question: With a proper setup, you don't need a SIM and if
there's a SIM in the device, it's not used.

  Clue-by-four: Why don't you take the SIM out of your device and see
what happens? IOW, why endlessly whinge about something you can test
yourself in a few minutes?

  Next non-issue.

Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On 9/16/2016 12:30 PM, Horace Algier wrote:
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You can't use a GSM phone without a SIM card to make non-emergency
calls.
You can use a device with WiFi connected to the web and an operating  
system and application that support
VOIP to make and receive phone calls via WiFi.  "SIM" and "GSM"
are not involved in any way.

We can talk more about that, after you are finished
with the pissing contest with nospam.

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Re: Android GSM free telephone WITHOUT SIM card (is it possible on WiFi?
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:55:22 +0000 (UTC), Horace Algier wrote:

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Whatever telephony you can muster up for an internet-connected computer you
can muster up equally well for an internet-connected SIM-less cellphone --
just another computer, after all :-) . HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp
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