Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch

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I am considering extending the wired part of my network.  I currently
have a Linksys 802.11b wireless router with 4-port switch and rather
than extending with a wired 5-port switch, I am considering spending
just a little bit more for an 802.11g Wireless router with 4-port
switch and disabling the wireless functionality of my current wireless
router and simply patching it in as a 4-port switch.  Netgear 801.11g
routers are as low as $39 almost everywhere now, while the wired 5-
port switch will probably cost me $20 in either a Linksys or Netgear
flavor.

Looking for opinions on this planned router swap or other
suggestions.  thx


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On 5 Mar 2007 06:33:33 -0800, "gkamieneski@hotmail.com"

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I suggest Buffalo instead of Linksys for the new router, making it
possible to run DD-WRT should you ever need/want to do so.  $38 at
<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833162173>

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Actually, I was going to pick up a Netgear 802.11g router, not a
Linksys.  It's the old Linksys B router that I was going to dumb-down
to be just a 4-port switch.  The reference to DD-WRT, while I do use a
couple of Samba devices, why would I want the Linux provisioning?


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On 5 Mar 2007 08:23:15 -0800, "gkamieneski@hotmail.com"


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1. Buffalo is better than Netgear (IMnsHO at least).
2. DD-WRT is much more flexible and powerful than stock firmware --
check the list of features.
3. This has nothing to do with running Linux or Samba -- Linux is just
the software platform for the router firmware.

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Thanks, John for the clarification.  So I should be able to use the
old Linksys wireless router as just a 4-port 10/100 switch?


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On 5 Mar 2007 10:16:17 -0800, "gkamieneski@hotmail.com"


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Yes -- turn off the DHCP server, and use just the LAN ports.

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Features, monitoring, management, and control (mostly over power
output but also settings).  Browse through the pages at:
<http://www.informatione.gmxhome.de/DDWRT/Standard/V23final/index.html
to see what's available.

Features:
<http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Tutorials
The traditional list of features grew so much that it's not being
currently maintained:
<http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Features

I suggest the more expensive Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 router instead.  The
increase in transmit power seems to make a difference.

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Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On Mar 5, 11:23 am, "gkamiene...@hotmail.com"
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It just occurred to me that there are 2 ways I can hook this up and 1
may provide better wireless connectivity than another.  1, I can
connect my modem to my current wireless-disabled 802.11b router and
use a patch cord from one of its ports to the newer 802.11g router, or
2., I can connect the modem directly to the new 801.11g router and
then connect a patch cord to the old wireless-disabled 802.11b router
being used as a switch.  What it comes down to is should my active
router be hanging off of the modem or off of the switch?


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On 5 Mar 2007 10:40:04 -0800, "gkamieneski@hotmail.com"

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That will work fine _if_ you configure the 802.11g router as a wireless
access point, as described in the How To wiki below.  (Be sure to turn
off the 802.11b wireless.)

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That will work fine if you turn off the DHCP server in the 802.11b
router and just use the LAN ports.

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Either configuration will work, but I would strongly favor #1 since
you'd be using newer router firmware.

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Last question.  I will be able to use the 3 ports remaining on the
first unit and the 4 ethernet ports on the new router for a total of 7
drops, correct?


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On 6 Mar 2007 04:38:38 -0800, "gkamieneski@hotmail.com"

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Correct.

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I'm using the #1 scenario, but I've left broadcasting intact on the
old 802.11b router (that way I can isolate my 802.11b devices to that
router).  My new 802.11g router is active by a drop from the old
router.  Now, both routers are broadcasting and they are also both
providing DHCP but I think I'm running into some DNS problems and I
also wonder if I should be setting up a new subnet.  Any thoughts?
thx all


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On 10 Mar 2007 19:22:03 -0800, "gkamieneski@hotmail.com"

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You can get away with running more than one DHCP server if you're
careful to avoid overlap in their assignment ranges, but my general
recommendation is to run only one DHCP server on a given network.  In
that case the g router should be configured as a wireless access point
with no DHCP server (as described in the How To wiki below).

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Thanks, I will check it out. I'm getting the ip addresses assigned
correctly from both DHCP servers, however DNS seems to be a problem.
The client that get's the IP from the g router cannot reconcile URLs.
Ipconfig /all shows no connection-specific DNS suffix.


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On 11 Mar 2007 06:38:30 -0700, "gkamieneski@hotmail.com"

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Sounds like DNS servers aren't getting set properly, or can't be
reached.

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The exact actual output from both DHCP servers would be helpful.

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John, I'm getting there.  I re-read your WiFi How to Wiki and I
connected the new 'g' router to the old 'b' router LAN-to-Lan with a
patch cord, rather than from the LAN port of the old router to the WAN
port of the new router.  Old router is handling DHCP now and DNS is
back up.  Unfortunately with all the other little quirks associated
with DST, I picked the wrong weekend to do this and one of my PCMCIA
'g' cards seems to be fried.  I'll let you know if I can get the other
devices online.  thx.


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On Mar 11, 6:11 pm, "gkamiene...@hotmail.com"
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John, thanks for your help.  The wiki was very helpful and it took me
awhile for my intuition to accept the LAN-to-LAN connection between
the routers.  All seems to work well now and I am directing 802.11b-
only clients to the old AP and newer clients to the 802.11g AP.  Only
get 3 ports out of the new router, though, because of the LAN-to-LAN
connection.


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While things are working o.k.   I wonder what would happen if I
reversed the routers and used the newer router as the gateway?  That
way I could get NTP to work on the 801.11g router and reverse which
router supplies DHCP.


Re: Additional Wireless Router or Wired 5-port Switch


On 12 Apr 2007 04:49:43 -0700, "gkamieneski@hotmail.com"

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Why not go ahead and try it?  If you do it properly, it should work
fine.  (If not, you can always go back.)

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One thing:  I would be thinking about wireless security in this
setup.  You want to be moving away from WEP and towards WPA if that
applies.

The old "B" router probably does not have WPA.   Possibly some of your
B adapters may have a driver upgrade to WPA and work with the newer
"G" router.  My Orinoco Gold "B" pcmcia did upgrade, the linksys WUSB
"B" did not.

It may be a good time to upgrade some of your adapters.  Especially
with USB "G" adapters so cheap now.  Best thing about "N" is that it
renders G stuff "old tech".


Steve



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