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Posted by jhailey@hotmail.com on December 23, 2008, 3:33 am
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> Clear plastic briefcases: > <http://www.acrylicbriefcases.com> > <http://www.acrylics.ca> heh heh... Good one Jeff! :) But seriously, basic privacy should be had at the touch of a button. That's all I'm asking for. Basic privacy for my router. I can change the router hostname but does anyone really know if the ISP logs the router hostname or just the MAC and IP? | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Jeff Liebermann on December 23, 2008, 12:31 pm
Please log in for more thread options >On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:33:06 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>>If privacy wasn't such a basic concern, women would all be walking around
>>>with see through purses and all men would carry clear plastic briefcases. >>
>> Clear plastic briefcases: >> <http://www.acrylicbriefcases.com> >> <http://www.acrylics.ca> >
>heh heh... Good one Jeff! :) I once invested in a local company making wooden briefcases. During this exercise in futility, I learned quite a bit about the luggage, giftware, and briefcase business. The clear briefcases tend to show up at airports, trade shows for sample cases, and schools. However, only a small part of their use involve anything practical. Most are purchased essentially as a joke or gift. >But seriously, basic privacy should be had at the touch of a button.
I have a mantra that goes with that called "Secure by Default". However, it has to do with router default configuration, not security. Please note that I consider security, privacy, and anonymity to be quite separate issues. You can easily have one, without the others. I think you're talking about "basic anonymity" which is not guaranteed by any hardware product on the market. They tend to guarantee security, which implies that your traffic can't be recovered, sniffed, hijacked, spoofed, or otherwise affected. All these are possible without hiding one's identity, which is anonymity. >That's all I'm asking for. Basic privacy for my router.
It's possible but not a standard feature. Again, methinks you're asking for "basic anonymity". By my definition, privacy simply means that your traffic cannot be sniffed or recovered. You can still be identified, but your traffic remains private. >I can change the router hostname but does anyone really know if the ISP
>logs the router hostname or just the MAC and IP? Router logging has become an industry. It's a key part of "regulatory compliance" and "threat management". For example, various software products are available that generate reports from the syslog output. Note that syslog has various levels of logging offering various levels of detail. For example: <http://manageengine.adventnet.com/log-analysis.html>
There are examples of raw logs and report output scattered among these
<http://www.sawmill.net/products.html> web pages. At the ISP end, the report writers target Cisco and other high end hardware that a home user is unlikely to own. Many home routers have a syslog feature. If yours does, try the free version of: <http://www.kiwisyslog.com>
and see what it reports. There are also a mess of SNMP logging
<http://www.linklogger.com> programs and traffic sniffers. <http://home.comcast.net/~jay.deboer/airsnare/>
The list of such programs is apparently endless. Unfortunately, the
<http://svs.sv.funpic.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=63> output and what they report is also endless. I'll see if I can grab some Cisco router log output from a local ISP, but offhand, my guess is that they report the connecting MAC and IP address, but not the hostname. Some grab the RDNS name, which is usually a conglomeration of the IP address and domain name, thus ignoring the user assigned host name. I'll have to check to be sure. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by jhailey@hotmail.com on December 24, 2008, 12:26 am
Please log in for more thread options On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:31:38 -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> Please note that I consider security, privacy, and anonymity to be
> quite separate issues. You can easily have one, without the others. I > think you're talking about "basic anonymity" Yes Jeff. Thank you. Anonymity is what I'm looking for. My mistake. BTW, I assume net anonymity is something many would want, not just me. This request is for information leading to reasonably simple anonymity by randomizing critical hardware information such as a router MAC address & router hostname (Linksys). > Many home routers have a syslog feature.
> If yours does, try the free version of: > <http://www.kiwisyslog.com> > <http://www.linklogger.com> > <http://home.comcast.net/~jay.deboer/airsnare/> > <http://svs.sv.funpic.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1&Itemid=63> Oh yes! Now we're getting somewhere. I will try all four and report back. I have a Linksys router. > .. my guess is that they report the connecting MAC and IP address,
> but not the hostname. Some grab the RDNS name, which is usually a > conglomeration of the IP address and domain name, thus ignoring the > user assigned host name. This is the key question! QUESTION: What is logged by the ISP. Nobody seems to know the true answer. You've kindly hazarded a guess, which I appreciate and others will too. This news of the "domain" name kicking in has me a bit confused since my home router, to my knowledge, doesn't have a "domain name". It has a section for ROUTER NAME, HOST NAME, and DOMAIN NAME, but only the router hostname is required. I wonder if we can find confirming information as to what exactly an ISP stores. It seems to me I can't possibly have a clue about anonymity on the net if I don't even know what the ISP actually logs. Neither can anyone else without this most basic of information, it seems to me. | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by John Navas on December 23, 2008, 12:49 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:33:58 -0800, "jhailey@hotmail.com"
>But seriously, basic privacy should be had at the touch of a button.
Privacy yes; anonymity no. What I think you're seeking is the latter. I don't and won't support that. -- Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://wireless.navas.us>
John FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes> | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Ari on December 23, 2008, 5:05 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 09:49:09 -0800, John Navas wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:33:58 -0800, "jhailey@hotmail.com"
> >>But seriously, basic privacy should be had at the touch of a button.
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> Privacy yes; anonymity no. > What I think you're seeking is the latter. > I don't and won't support that. You won't support anonymity? Hey, good news for the world, you'd fuck it up anyway. -- Meet Ari! http://tr.im/1fa3 | ||||||||||||||||
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>>with see through purses and all men would carry clear plastic briefcases.