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Posted by John Navas on December 22, 2008, 1:40 pm
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>> The only thing the remote site can see that might compromise your
>> privacy is your IP address, which could be used to identify you through >> your ISP (no matter what you do to your MAC address and hostname). The >> only way to prevent that is to use an anonymous surfing service, ideally >> one that's outside of USA legal jurisdiction. You can find such >> services easily with Google. >
>That's an interesting POV. Got one you would like to recommend? * Anonymizer <http://www.anonymizer.com/>
Both are solid, and while in the USA, that shouldn't be a concern unless
* GoTrusted <http://www.gotrusted.com/> you're going to attract the attention of law enforcement. For a technical overview, see <https://www.anonymousspeech.com/anonymous_surfing.aspx>
Other options: <(www.idzap.com>
<http://anonymous-surfing-reviews.qarchive.org/> -- Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://wireless.navas.us>
John FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes> | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Ari on December 22, 2008, 1:50 pm
Please log in for more thread options > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:23:50 -0500, Ari
> >>On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:46:26 -0800, John Navas wrote:
>> >>> The only thing the remote site can see that might compromise your
>>> privacy is your IP address, which could be used to identify you through >>> your ISP (no matter what you do to your MAC address and hostname). The >>> only way to prevent that is to use an anonymous surfing service, ideally >>> one that's outside of USA legal jurisdiction. You can find such >>> services easily with Google. >>
>>That's an interesting POV. Got one you would like to recommend? >
> * Anonymizer <http://www.anonymizer.com/> > * GoTrusted <http://www.gotrusted.com/> > Both are solid, and while in the USA, that shouldn't be a concern unless > you're going to attract the attention of law enforcement. How do you know they are solid? -- Meet Ari! http://tr.im/1fa3 | |||||||||||||
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Posted by John Navas on December 22, 2008, 1:54 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:19 -0500, Ari
>On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:40:46 -0800, John Navas wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:23:50 -0500, Ari
>> >>>On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:46:26 -0800, John Navas wrote:
>>> >>>> The only thing the remote site can see that might compromise your >>>> privacy is your IP address, which could be used to identify you through >>>> your ISP (no matter what you do to your MAC address and hostname). The >>>> only way to prevent that is to use an anonymous surfing service, ideally >>>> one that's outside of USA legal jurisdiction. You can find such >>>> services easily with Google. >>> >>>That's an interesting POV. Got one you would like to recommend? >>
>> * Anonymizer <http://www.anonymizer.com/> >> * GoTrusted <http://www.gotrusted.com/> >> Both are solid, and while in the USA, that shouldn't be a concern unless >> you're going to attract the attention of law enforcement. >
>How do you know they are solid? They both have a track record, reputation, and enterprise credentials, although of course it's impossible to know for certain. There's always a risk that a bad employee could still compromise you, just as there is with any other organization, the bigger risk probably being your ISP. -- Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://wireless.navas.us>
John FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi> Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo> Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes> | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Franklin on December 22, 2008, 4:59 pm
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> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:19 -0500, Ari
> >>On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:40:46 -0800, John Navas wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:23:50 -0500, Ari
>>> >>>>On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:46:26 -0800, John Navas wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only thing the remote site can see that might compromise >>>>> your privacy is your IP address, which could be used to >>>>> identify you through your ISP (no matter what you do to your >>>>> MAC address and hostname). The only way to prevent that is >>>>> to use an anonymous surfing service, ideally one that's >>>>> outside of USA legal jurisdiction. You can find such >>>>> services easily with Google. >>>> >>>>That's an interesting POV. Got one you would like to >>>>recommend? >>> >>> * Anonymizer <http://www.anonymizer.com/> >>> * GoTrusted <http://www.gotrusted.com/> >>> Both are solid, and while in the USA, that shouldn't be a >>> concern unless you're going to attract the attention of law >>> enforcement. >>
>>How do you know they are solid? >
> They both have a track record, reputation, and enterprise > credentials, although of course it's impossible to know for > certain. There's always a risk that a bad employee could still > compromise you, just as there is with any other organization, > the bigger risk probably being your ISP. > If an organisation wanted to obtain data its subscribers thought was anonymous, then it wouldn't be very clever to run an operation with a poor reputation. On the other hand, if an organisation wanted to see data its subscribers thought was anonymous, then it would be a smart move to run a quality service and keep very schtum about what it leaked. anonymizer.com may be such an organization. In other words, in order to get data which is provided only to trusted sources, you need to work in a way to gain trust. But that does not mean there is not abuse. The greatest abusers of other people and their rights are too often those who have risen to a level where their reputation is their defense. For example, Bernard Madoff chair of NASDAQ or UN staff systematically abusing refugees. Reputations are important but I am cautious about trusting them entirely. | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Chrisjoy on December 22, 2008, 5:50 pm
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> > > > > > > On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:50:19 -0500, Ari
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> >>On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:40:46 -0800, John Navas wrote:
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> >>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:23:50 -0500, Ari
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> >>>>On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:46:26 -0800, John Navas wrote:
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> >>>>> The only thing the remote site can see that might compromise
> >>>>> your privacy is your IP address, which could be used to > >>>>> identify you through your ISP (no matter what you do to your > >>>>> MAC address and hostname). =A0The only way to prevent that is > >>>>> to use an anonymous surfing service, ideally one that's > >>>>> outside of USA legal jurisdiction. =A0You can find such > >>>>> services easily with Google. >
> >>>>That's an interesting POV. Got one you would like to
> >>>>recommend? >
> >>> * Anonymizer <http://www.anonymizer.com/>
> >>> * GoTrusted <http://www.gotrusted.com/> > >>> Both are solid, and while in the USA, that shouldn't be a > >>> concern unless you're going to attract the attention of law > >>> enforcement. >
> >>How do you know they are solid?
>
> > They both have a track record, reputation, and enterprise
> > credentials, although of course it's impossible to know for > > certain. =A0There's always a risk that a bad employee could still > > compromise you, just as there is with any other organization, > > the bigger risk probably being your ISP. >
> If an organisation wanted to obtain data its subscribers thought > was anonymous, then it wouldn't be very clever to run an operation > with a poor reputation. > > On the other hand, if an organisation wanted to see data its > subscribers thought was anonymous, then it would be a smart move > to run a quality service and keep very schtum about what it > leaked. =A0anonymizer.com may be such an organization. > > In other words, in order to get data which is provided only to > trusted sources, you need to work in a way to gain trust. =A0But > that does not mean there is not abuse. =A0The greatest abusers of > other people and their rights are too often those who have risen > to a level where their reputation is their defense. > > For example, Bernard Madoff chair of NASDAQ or UN staff > systematically abusing refugees. > > Reputations are important but I am cautious about trusting them > entirely. Ironocally, when it comes to transfering highly sensetive data, where it's not enough to secure the content, but also secure both ends from being seen as connected with eachother, the insecurity of wireless networks is a very good thing. And instead of buying anonymizer services from someone else, I would rather make my own free anonymizer connecting though cascade supporting, logfree proxies on the net. In combination with usenets' binary groups crouwded with ppl, you can get as good security as anyone else can sell you, if not much better. I think it's even better than networks like Tor where you must trust that input/output is not controlled by an enemy. It's like security built only partly on unknowns, for a sniffer. The nite part is that you only need some gateways, which is easy all time a town is filled by insecure WPA or WEP, some proxies, preferable socks, and a crowded place where your activity can look exactly the same as the rest of the guys are doing. Which brings me to my point, the mean crowd who with necesity must be the very same people you are protecting yourself against, ain't totally useless, right? Well, think again. If it wasn't for them, you didn't need to send secret messages with plans to wipe'em out. The mean crows includes 99,5% of all humans, they who hails steal and share- mentality; Govt's legalized theft and coercion. Am I picked up by the feds yet? | |||||||||||||
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