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VOIP ljmonet 11-27-04
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Posted by ljmonet on November 27, 2004, 4:18 am
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VOIP is changing the world:

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Wow this VOIP is growing so big. Just check the prices
on this site http://www.myhyperfone.net/calls4free





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Posted by Dr. Anton T. Squeegee on November 27, 2004, 12:18 am
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ljmonet_at_yahoo_dot_com@foo.com says...

> VOIP is changing the world:
>
> -------------------------------------
> Wow this VOIP is growing so big. Just check the prices
> on this site... <Clipped to prevent free advertising twice>

        When VOIP...

        (1) Becomes as solidly reliable, 24x7x365, as copper-based POTS...

        (2) Works during a power or network outage of indefinite
duration...

        (3) Provides encryption against eavesdropping that is 100% under
my control in terms of encryption keys...

        (4) Provides reliable and consistent connections to a LOCAL 911
dispatch center whenever needed...

        THEN I just MIGHT consider using it.

        Until then, my interest in it lies somewhere in the negative
numbers.

        You're welcome.

--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"


Posted by on November 27, 2004, 12:29 pm
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>        When VOIP...

>        (1) Becomes as solidly reliable, 24x7x365, as copper-based POTS...

>        (2) Works during a power or network outage of indefinite
>duration...

>         (3) Provides encryption against eavesdropping that is 100% under
>my control in terms of encryption keys...

>        (4) Provides reliable and consistent connections to a LOCAL 911
>dispatch center whenever needed...

>        THEN I just MIGHT consider using it.

>        Until then, my interest in it lies somewhere in the negative
>numbers.

>        You're welcome.

Be careful friend. With attitudes like yours you may be locking yourself
down and wind up living in the past. VOIP is more than just an emerging
technology; it's here. To ignore it is foolish.

Several VOIP system vendors, MITEL for one, has already addressed some of
your concerns. For example, MITEL has addressed the 9-1-1 issue most
elegantly, even causing pbx system alarms to be raised if a user
arbitrarily takes it upon himself to move his own phone.

As for your power outage scenario, even copper-based pots will eventually
fail during a power outage of indefinite duration. It's all about how long
the batteries last or how much fuel there is for the generator.

Evesdropping over VOIP is already more difficult to achieve than
evesdropping over POTS, tho neither is perfect.

It's a bit too soon to conduct studies about long-term 5-9's reliability,
but I have 3 Mitel 3300 systems that are well on their way, having each
been in service now approaching the 1-year mark with so far -NO- unplanned
or unexpected service-affecting interruptions.

What I would caution you to plan for is the day when legacy phone system
manufacturers are no longer doing R&D for their copper-based systems. Once
R&D ceases, an announcement of "manufacture-discontinuance" won't be far
behind.

Today VOIP is not the 'holy grail' some have professed to be, but it's
gaining momentum steadily while the legacy TDM systems are all coasting
with the clutch in.

Don't be caught resting on your laurels.



Posted by Dr. Anton T. Squeegee on November 27, 2004, 12:16 pm
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[206.180.145.133] says...

> Be careful friend. With attitudes like yours you may be locking yourself
> down and wind up living in the past. VOIP is more than just an emerging
> technology; it's here. To ignore it is foolish.

        How is asking for service comparable in reliability to POTS
"living in the past?" Explain to me how that could possibly be wrong?

        I've always believed that just because we CAN do something with
technology does not always mean that we should. I've also believed that
the best possible technology advancements come from a blending of past
and future, rather than completely abandoning what we've supposedly
learned in the past.

        This is another way of saying "Those who ignore history are doomed
to repeat it."

        I'm not going to ignore VOIP, but it's going to have to meet MY
standards AND it'll have to support all my current POTS-based equipment
(as in provide a line pair with -48V, dial tone, 100V/20Hz ringing,
etc.) before I will consider using it.

> Several VOIP system vendors, MITEL for one, has already addressed some of
> your concerns. For example, MITEL has addressed the 9-1-1 issue most
> elegantly, even causing pbx system alarms to be raised if a user
> arbitrarily takes it upon himself to move his own phone.

        See, I have a problem with that. If I want to move a phone around
in my home, I don't need the telco asking me why said phone got moved.

        As mentioned above: Give me a standard copper pair with dial tone,
etc. If it comes from a VOIP adapter, and is just as reliable as POTS
was, AND connects to the local 911 center if needed, fine. I'll work
with it.

> As for your power outage scenario, even copper-based pots will eventually
> fail during a power outage of indefinite duration. It's all about how long
> the batteries last or how much fuel there is for the generator.

        I should have been clearer with that. "Extended" duration would
have been a better way to say it. AND I don't want the local VOIP
terminal to be dependent on local power. I want to see it powered by the
central office, just as it currently is with POTS.

> What I would caution you to plan for is the day when legacy phone system
> manufacturers are no longer doing R&D for their copper-based systems. Once
> R&D ceases, an announcement of "manufacture-discontinuance" won't be far
> behind.

        When that day comes, I will do what's necessary to maintain
communications. Until then, VOIP is something to be watched with
considerable suspicion as far as I'm concerned.


--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"


Posted by Rick Merrill on November 27, 2004, 10:45 pm
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee wrote:

> [206.180.145.133] says...
>
>
>>Be careful friend. With attitudes like yours you may be locking yourself
>>down and wind up living in the past. VOIP is more than just an emerging
>>technology; it's here. To ignore it is foolish.
>
>
>         How is asking for service comparable in reliability to POTS
> "living in the past?" Explain to me how that could possibly be wrong?
>
>         I've always believed that just because we CAN do something with
> technology does not always mean that we should. I've also believed that
> the best possible technology advancements come from a blending of past
> and future, rather than completely abandoning what we've supposedly
> learned in the past.
>
>         This is another way of saying "Those who ignore history are doomed
> to repeat it."
>
>         I'm not going to ignore VOIP, but it's going to have to meet MY
> standards AND it'll have to support all my current POTS-based equipment
> (as in provide a line pair with -48V, dial tone, 100V/20Hz ringing,
> etc.) before I will consider using it.
>
>
>>Several VOIP system vendors, MITEL for one, has already addressed some of
>>your concerns. For example, MITEL has addressed the 9-1-1 issue most
>>elegantly, even causing pbx system alarms to be raised if a user
>>arbitrarily takes it upon himself to move his own phone.
>
>
>         See, I have a problem with that. If I want to move a phone around
> in my home, I don't need the telco asking me why said phone got moved.
>
>         As mentioned above: Give me a standard copper pair with dial tone,
> etc. If it comes from a VOIP adapter, and is just as reliable as POTS
> was, AND connects to the local 911 center if needed, fine. I'll work
> with it.
>
>
>>As for your power outage scenario, even copper-based pots will eventually
>>fail during a power outage of indefinite duration. It's all about how long
>>the batteries last or how much fuel there is for the generator.
>
>
>         I should have been clearer with that. "Extended" duration would
> have been a better way to say it. AND I don't want the local VOIP
> terminal to be dependent on local power. I want to see it powered by the
> central office, just as it currently is with POTS.
>
>
>>What I would caution you to plan for is the day when legacy phone system
>>manufacturers are no longer doing R&D for their copper-based systems. Once
>>R&D ceases, an announcement of "manufacture-discontinuance" won't be far
>>behind.
>
>
>         When that day comes, I will do what's necessary to maintain
> communications. Until then, VOIP is something to be watched with
> considerable suspicion as far as I'm concerned.

right... and you still use corded phones exclusively, right?



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