Extremely parallel QPM -- another one of my telecommuniations imaginations
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Posted by Green Xenon [Radium] on June 20, 2008, 1:45 am
Please log in for more thread options Please don't get upset at me. I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This too theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 phases. So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts to achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second by using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, because 1 phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can represent. 16, because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one phase [1 out of the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed per-symbol and no more than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is permitted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be the disadvantages of it? If I had and audio system that could play this data through a speaker, what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 dial-up modems when they just connect to the internet? Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less. Thanks, Radium | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Green Xenon [Radium] on June 20, 2008, 1:54 am
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search
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> > I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the > Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality > > Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is > 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less. > > > Thanks, > > Radium Oh, and I must add... In my hypothetical scenario... Each phone line uses a different phone number. Each phone line uses a different ISP. Each phone line uses a different IP address. Each phone line uses a different MAC address. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Jerry Avins on June 20, 2008, 11:13 am
Please log in for more thread options Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> Hi:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search
>> >> Please don't get upset at me. >> >> I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM >> [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This >> too theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and >> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 phases. >> So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only >> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is >> phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts to >> achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second by >> using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, because 1 >> phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can represent. 16, >> because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one phase [1 out of >> the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed per-symbol and no more >> than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is permitted. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number >> >> Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines >> >> If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be >> the disadvantages of it? >> >> If I had and audio system that could play this data through a speaker, >> what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 dial-up >> modems when they just connect to the internet? >> >> Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or >> M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation? >> >> >>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search
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>> >> I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the >> Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality >> >> Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is >> 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Radium >
> > Oh, and I must add... > > In my hypothetical scenario... > > Each phone line uses a different phone number. > > Each phone line uses a different ISP. > > Each phone line uses a different IP address. > > Each phone line uses a different MAC address. That lot of words confused one of us. As far as I can see, your system carries no information at all. Just show us the math; then we can judge. Jerry | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Green Xenon [Radium] on June 22, 2008, 3:38 am
Please log in for more thread options Jerry Avins wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>> Hi:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search
>>> >>> Please don't get upset at me. >>> >>> I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM >>> [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This >>> too theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and >>> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 >>> phases. So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only >>> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is >>> phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts >>> to achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second >>> by using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, >>> because 1 phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can >>> represent. 16, because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one >>> phase [1 out of the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed >>> per-symbol and no more than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is >>> permitted. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number >>> >>> Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines >>> >>> If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be >>> the disadvantages of it? >>> >>> If I had and audio system that could play this data through a >>> speaker, what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 >>> dial-up modems when they just connect to the internet? >>> >>> Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or >>> M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation? >>> >>> >>>
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the >>> Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality. >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality >>> >>> Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is >>> 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Radium >>
>> >> Oh, and I must add... >> >> In my hypothetical scenario... >> >> Each phone line uses a different phone number. >> >> Each phone line uses a different ISP. >> >> Each phone line uses a different IP address. >> >> Each phone line uses a different MAC address. >
> > That lot of words confused one of us. As far as I can see, your system > carries no information at all. Just show us the math; then we can judge. > > Jerry The following occurs in my hypothetical system: Quote from Jason [cincydsp@gmail.com]: "If you allow the various phase-modulation signals to have multiple phases and therefore carry information, then all you have is an enormous set of parallel phase-modulated channels. As long as you had the infrastructure in the PSTN network to support the connections, then you would get linear scaling of total "bits/sec" capacity with the number of phone lines." | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on June 20, 2008, 8:27 am
Please log in for more thread options Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22quantized+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Search
> > Please don't get upset at me. > > I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM > [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This too > theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and > 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 phases. > So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only > 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is > phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts to > achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second by > using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, because 1 > phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can represent. 16, > because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one phase [1 out of > the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed per-symbol and no more > than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is permitted. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number > > Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines > > If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be > the disadvantages of it? > > If I had and audio system that could play this data through a speaker, > what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 dial-up > modems when they just connect to the internet? > > Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or > M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation? > > >
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22pulse+phase+modulation%22&btnG=Google+Search
> > >
> > I am aware that this scenario is so unrealistic -- because of the > Graham's number -- that it can only exist in simulated reality. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulated_reality > > Anyways, I call it "extremely parallel" because there is > 1-phase-per-line, no more, no less. > > > Thanks, > > Radium Just multiplex it down one optical line using QM entangled photons. -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK Remote Viewing classes in London | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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>
> Please don't get upset at me.
>
> I am currently thinking about an extremely hypothetical form of QPM
> [Quantized Phase Modulation] in telecommunications technology. This too
> theoretical-too-be-realistic QPM uses 1-phase-per-symbol and
> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second. In QPM, 1-bit allows for 2 phases.
> So 1-phase assumes 1 bit for every 2 symbols. But since only
> 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is used, the measurement is
> phase-per-symbol, not bit-per-symbol. Anyways, this device attempts to
> achieve a data rate of Graham's-number amount of bytes per second by
> using 2 X 16 X Graham's number amount of telephone lines. 2, because 1
> phase makes up only 1 of the 2 states that a bit can represent. 16,
> because a byte is made of 8-bits, and no more than one phase [1 out of
> the 2 states a single bit can allow] is allowed per-symbol and no more
> than 1-symbol-per-phone-line-per-second is permitted.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham's_number
>
> Now that is a lot of telephone lines! (2 X 16 X Graham's number) lines
>
> If it were possible and feasible for such QPM to exist, what would be
> the disadvantages of it?
>
> If I had and audio system that could play this data through a speaker,
> what would I hear? Would it sound anything like those V.92 dial-up
> modems when they just connect to the internet?
>
> Also, would my QPM qualify as PSK [Phase-Shift-Keying] or
> M[Multiple]-PSK? Or is it more like Pulse-Phase-Modulation?
>
>