UTC?s Interlogix division to close down by end of 2019

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Has anyone seen this,

   "UTC?s Interlogix division, makers of a variety of residential a
nd commercial security product lines, has notified its employees and dealer
s that it has begun the process of ?winding down? business  
in the United States and Canada, and will no longer manufacture new product
s by the end of 2019."

Hogan


Re: UTC?s Interlogix division to close down by end of 2019
On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 12:59:25 PM UTC-4, Hogan wrote:
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 and commercial security product lines, has notified its employees and deal
ers that it has begun the process of ?winding down? busines
s in the United States and Canada, and will no longer manufacture new produ
cts by the end of 2019."
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Surprise Surprise!

I don't get it. What's the purpose?  

Is it that these large companies just  buy up smaller companies, suck the l
ife out of them and discard them ? I mean it's not that Interlogix had any  
great secrets or something that would benefit UTC to the amount of $1.82 BI
LLION !!!

Amazing!

Re: UTC?s Interlogix division to close down by end of 2019
On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 7:25:04 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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al and commercial security product lines, has notified its employees and de
alers that it has begun the process of ?winding down? busin
ess in the United States and Canada, and will no longer manufacture new pro
ducts by the end of 2019."
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 life out of them and discard them ? I mean it's not that Interlogix had an
y great secrets or something that would benefit UTC to the amount of $1.82  
BILLION !!!
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Doesn't have anything to do with big companies buying smaller companies, it
 has to do with not staying competitive which was happening long before UTC
 came into the picture. 2GIG, Qolsys and Alarm.com pretty much did them in  
not UTC

I'm surprised they didn't try selling them off to someone else, they still  
sold a lot of equipment, the Concord NX series were excellent panels

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On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 9:49:18 PM UTC-4, mleuck wrote:
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tial and commercial security product lines, has notified its employees and  
dealers that it has begun the process of ?winding down? bus
iness in the United States and Canada, and will no longer manufacture new p
roducts by the end of 2019."
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he life out of them and discard them ? I mean it's not that Interlogix had  
any great secrets or something that would benefit UTC to the amount of $1.8
2 BILLION !!!
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it has to do with not staying competitive which was happening long before U
TC came into the picture. 2GIG, Qolsys and Alarm.com pretty much did them i
n not UTC
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l sold a lot of equipment, the Concord NX series were excellent panels

It's pretty frickin hard to believe that UTC didn't have the wherewithal/ca
pability/foresight/experience, to see the handwriting on the wall before th
ey spent almost $2 BILLION for it.

On the other hand, I guess it's one hell of a tax write-off right before th
e end of the year.

Re: UTC?s Interlogix division to close down by end of 2019
Your first posting is probably more accurate. The people who sold to UTC, I
 would assume made out very well. Large companies do take what they want an
d will purposefully deplete them, as well as get tax write-offs. The winner
s in all this, is probably those who sold to UTC, the losers are everyone e
lse.

I wonder who will own all the technological rights of the equipment?

Re: UTC?s Interlogix division to close down by end of 2019
On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 2:34:27 PM UTC-5, Hogan wrote:
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 I would assume made out very well. Large companies do take what they want  
and will purposefully deplete them, as well as get tax write-offs. The winn
ers in all this, is probably those who sold to UTC, the losers are everyone
 else.
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I assume UTC owns the patents etc.

GE sold to UTC for $1.82 billion back in 2009, If they made out well you ca
n't tell these days because they appear to be quickly circling the bowl fin
ancially

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On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 1:03:36 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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ential and commercial security product lines, has notified its employees an
d dealers that it has begun the process of ?winding down? b
usiness in the United States and Canada, and will no longer manufacture new
 products by the end of 2019."
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 the life out of them and discard them ? I mean it's not that Interlogix ha
d any great secrets or something that would benefit UTC to the amount of $1
.82 BILLION !!!
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, it has to do with not staying competitive which was happening long before
 UTC came into the picture. 2GIG, Qolsys and Alarm.com pretty much did them
 in not UTC
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ill sold a lot of equipment, the Concord NX series were excellent panels
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capability/foresight/experience, to see the handwriting on the wall before  
they spent almost $2 BILLION for it.
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the end of the year.

While UTC did stagnate the company most if the fault was with GE, they pour
ed a lot of money into the company but gutted it of all the experienced ITI
 and Caddx people who later went on to start companies that became their ma
in competition

The problem tends to be big companies tend to not take the same chances tha
t smaller ones can, can't release something new without it going to the bea
n counters who usually know nothing about security

I can't see why they didn't try spinning the division off like Honeywell di
d with Resideo, the hybrid panels are excellent and they finally came out w
ith encrypted sensors and a decent touchscreen for the Concord

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On 9/22/2019 12:59 PM, Hogan wrote:
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Yes, I have.  And I read very carefully what products are to go away.

The Networx items do not appear to be in the mix.
I have very happy about that!!  Since it is my panel of choice!!

However, it doesn't mean that somebody behind a desk can't decide
to ruin my day.  Which would not be the first time.

Les

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On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 6:19:25 PM UTC-5, ABLE1 wrote:
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ial and commercial security product lines, has notified its employees and d
ealers that it has begun the process of ?winding down? busi
ness in the United States and Canada, and will no longer manufacture new pr
oducts by the end of 2019."
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The NetworX panels ARE included in the shutdown, they are part of the same  
division as the Simon and Concord

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On 9/23/2019 9:48 PM, mleuck wrote:
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I did not see the Networx panels listed, so I assumed they were not  
included.

And yes, I know what assumed really means.

Time will tell......................  Tick Tock

Les



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On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 9:46:56 PM UTC-5, ABLE1 wrote:
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ential and commercial security product lines, has notified its employees an
d dealers that it has begun the process of ?winding down? b
usiness in the United States and Canada, and will no longer manufacture new
 products by the end of 2019."
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ame division as the Simon and Concord
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I would assume the writer just didn't mention them like he also didn't ment
ion the Monitor XL whatever that was. No mention of fire panels but not sur
e if they still offered any

Damn shame I really liked the Concord 4, super easy to program

Re: UTC?s Interlogix division to close down by end of 2019
On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 10:46:56 PM UTC-4, ABLE1 wrote:
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ential and commercial security product lines, has notified its employees an
d dealers that it has begun the process of ?winding down? b
usiness in the United States and Canada, and will no longer manufacture new
 products by the end of 2019."
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I don't know if you get Security Sales and Integration magazine or not but  
there's a detailed article on the future of Interlogix.

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On 9/23/19 4:19 PM, ABLE1 wrote:
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There seems to be a lot of talk that certain models. (nx, concord, etc.)  
will be shut down.  I think this is wishful thinking.  What I have read  
and talked to the tech support people is that "INTERLOGIX" will shut  
down on dc 31, 2019. (period).

Questions:
1) what about the distribution agreement re: the wireless door/window  
sensors)?
2) Is there is "white knight" waiting in the wings to get this co. back  
on line?
3) what about all of those panels (simon, etc.) sold by the mass  
marketers (read fast profits, no long term service)?
4) what about the services by Carrier that are required for the systems  
to work?

FACT: the NX is a very good panel that has lasted many years because of  
its versatility.  It should not be allowed to die.

What about those employees from Interlogix? Are they being brought into UTC?

What about a forum when we can all report problems ansd solyutions,  
publish manuals, etc.?

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On 10/25/2019 6:30 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
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Hi John,

YES, it is going to get quite ugly in the next few months.

And YES, it would be nice of some Knight on a White Horse would swoop in  
and fix it for all of us using the NX product line.
(and maybe some of the others)

However, I fear that is just a dream.............just a dream.

Needless to say it will be smart for all to plan for the worst
by learning a new panel to fill your needs, wants and desires.

Personally, I am looking at first acquiring a few panels and
auxiliary devices to help with the transition.
Then I will work into using the DSC-NEO panels as my panel of
choice.  The alterative to the DSC-NEO will be the ELK-M1.

If someone actually does take over the NX product ling and
keeps it going I am there in a heart beat.

As for your list of questions.  I will let some of that to others.

Les



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On Friday, October 25, 2019 at 8:45:36 PM UTC-5, ABLE1 wrote:
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The odd part about all this is that there is no mention of shutdown anywher
e on the Interlogix website, at least in any obvious places. You'd think th
ey'd have some banner announcing it to the general public...

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Well, I did talk to a supplier last week who was anxious to let me know to  
order Now!... any parts that may be needed for all the customers. He did sa
y that any orders would not even begin to be filled until late November/Dec
ember.

What was revealing is that the fabrication plants are in Mexico! That made  
me think a little. It is not like these Mexican plants are just going to cl
ose up shop, just because the US corporation says so. Yo, its Mehico, sayni
or! The plants are all staffed with Mexican people who want to keep on work
ing. The knowledge is also there in Mexico where they were taught what to d
o. It would not surprise me the least bit, if there were to be in the near  
future, Nitwerks parts coming out of there. Just saying...aren't these the  
same folks who are very adept at flooding the US market with Mary Y Ana and
 other things?

One thing that we all can be sure of, the pricing of the parts will most li
kely go up, up, up!

So, do I want to buy a bunch of parts that may be needed sometime in the ne
ar or far future when Mrs. Dingles Networx system gets struck by lightning?
?? I certainly will not install any new future systems of that brand, so, I
 am just looking at parts then. If her mainboard or keypad--(that is the mo
st replaced part,famous red light, dazed look) goes, it's a "Might as well  
replace the whole system now Mam! moment".

I believe it's time for grandma to go... it's better this way. She will not
 be suffering anymore...

Now if all that any company or individual ever installed was Networx, then  
you do have a 'small' problem. Eez time to call sayniorr Hose and c if he k
en help!...

Just for everyone to know, I am not prejudiced against any one in Mexico. I
 am joking to the tune of Disney's Speedy Gonzalez. I actually drove in 198
5 from central Florida to Monterrey Mexico, drove a large egg shaped loop w
est and down to Mexico City, and back up the eastern side back to Monterrey
, over a month. At that time, I found them to be very nice friendly people  
who went out of there way to help along the way.

Les, as to trying out the Neo Dsc panels, I would suggest also looking in t
he older PC 1616, 1632, 1664 versions, as those mainboards do not have thei
r keybus locked out and sold out to Alarm.com. The programming should be mo
stly identical in its logic, and once you do get used to DSC, especially th
e wireless zone side, you will wonder why you waited this long to try them  
out. You also will have more options for communicators. I hate having all m
y eggs in one basket, especially when it drops down to the floor. That is w
hy we have accounts with systems like DSC, Networx, Honeywell, Monitronics,
 Concord etc, etc.

So when another Networx keypad goes, or the mainboard, I am not going to lo
ose any sleep over it. It's going to be a "Mam, that company went out of bu
siness last year. We've got a DSC system with a keypad that is even easier  
to use now, You will love it!" moment.  

DSC is not going away for a while, as the Canadian founding man in charge s
ought out the proper company to buy out his 'baby', for the long term, and  
not for liquidation. There are still some very decent folks out there.

Hogan  



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On 10/27/2019 11:28 PM, Hogan wrote:
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Hogan,

Thanks for the Southern Texas humor.  Insightful!!

Have a good week!!

Les

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Hi Les,

I know that Napco isn't such a popular product line but I think we all know
 that the future of the alarm installation business is going to change dram
atically in the next 5 years or so. I know that Interlogix had a new system
 they were trying to promote but when I looked at it ? although it  
had the features that make the DIY system popular, I didn't think it's pric
e point was competitive.  

So getting to my point, Napco is working on a similar system which is going
 to be released "soon" (as they say) It may not be released in time to be c
onsidered in your quests for a new provider, but I sincerely think that eve
ryone should be looking at migrating to this type of system. I think that t
his is the next step in the evolution of alarm panels.

Look at Isecurealarms.com. I don't know any of the qualities of their syste
m and I'm not saying they've got it right(it looks like they just squeezed  
panel and Starlink into one plastic covered box)  but the concept is what's
 in our future.

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Hi Jim,

First I will say that I have a certain amount of petty issues. :-)
That being said, the petty issue I have with Napco is the stupid
location of the Zero(0).  I have worked on but, can't say I have
ever installed one from scratch.  I am sure that someone decided
that it looks prettier over there........  But, I find it a bit
of a pain to find when needed.

I know that if you use it every day, it is no big deal.  But,
if you use one every now and then it is a different story.

I looked at Isecurealarms.com as suggested and it appears that
the zero is still in the same spot.  Sooooo, I don't think the
NEW Napco thingie is in my future.  Sorry!!

I know, I know, too petty.....................

So how do you thing Richard Petty does it???

Les


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Well you all, I also never did like Napco's keypads with the 'Computorized  
Security System' plastered across the bottom, and neither did I like the lo
gic hierarchy/arrangement of the programming, though I only remember taking
 over only a small amount of those systems in the early to mid 2000s.

I never thought about the 'Zero' location until Les mentioned it. It is rat
her quirky overall to me.

I have been cringing at all of the new type self-contained systems for a lo
ng while. From the beginnings of Simple Simon says, 'FRONT     DOOR     OPE
N', and on & on, with the high pitch beeps at the end, I always thought it  
was junk- a self-contained system that a small 2 lb. hammer could disable i
n one second. Yes, I know about the new option that those type of systems c
ame up with, to prevent that from happening; send the alarm out right away  
& then send an acknowledgement stand-down later.  

The reliance that most of them have on using any number of specific frequen
cies for communication, rather than wired systems, makes them more highly v
ulnerable in my estimation. I consider an old-fashioned wired mainboard sep
arated from keypad(s) much better security. I can hide a mainboard, and you
 can smash all the keypads you want, it won't matter. But, any frequency ca
n be jammed, and the system is totally rendered useless.

Also, the reliance on Wifi that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon for th
e future of internet and alarm communications, is unnerving. Wifi is the ea
siest communication system to crack. Wifi communications in businesses and  
homes, is like having hundreds of ethernet cables dangling all over the nei
ghborhood, easily accessed by persons familiar on how that is accomplished.
 Perhaps it is purposeful ...in the long run.  Whereas, you do need very cl
ose proximity for wiring to be picked up electronically, even if you access
 the surrounding
electrical field. Wifi is banned from my home and business in my surroundin
gs. I do not need to worry about anyone accessing sensitive information at  
all.  

In regards to communicators, we do use dual wired-only-internet with cellul
ar backup, and some systems are actually triple redundant.  

Now getting back to Interlogix, if their future is self-contained, frequenc
y-only dependent, then let it die completely. What?s the point, the
ir programming was only a copy of DSC anyway.  

I sure hope that the future of Interlogix or any other security equipment c
ompany, is not all going to rely only on the way of vulnerable comms, as th
at would be a travesty.

Maybe their inspiration was from the 2014 Super Bowl Doritos commercial wit
h Mr.
Smith and 'Jimmy', YouTube link,  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-P0Hs

0ADJY
                                        
                    As Jimmy, says, ?It?s the future.?
?

Hogan

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