Still Got One Job to Finish

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Everyday I look forward to the day I used to be in a contractor.

Today I called around my vendors for some video cable for a job.  Pretty  
sure its going to be my very last one.  They all seemed high to me, and most  
didn't have exactly what I wanted.  For the heck of it I tried Amazon and  
found exactly what I wanted listed under Amazon prime (free 2 day shipping)  
for a $39/1000 less than the CHEAPEST distributor, and more than a $100  
cheaper than the first one I called.  None of the distributors offered me  
free shipping on the order.

Its going to get tougher and tougher for even the big distributors to  
compete with Amazon.  Its even tougher for dealers when their customers can  
buy nearly everything they sell for less than the dealers distributors.

Thank goodness I atleast still get a decent labor rate.  (Actually I bid  
jobs with a flat total and don't worry about if I don't get them anymore.)




Re: Still Got One Job to Finish
On 9/14/2016 8:02 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Bob  I personally know of a number of security co's  that bid parts at  
purchase price (either from the customer or from own stock..)  then add  
labor at a fixed job rate.
The pricing and warranty is clearly spelled out in the terms of the  
contract..

It seems to work for them..
Less of a headache when replacing defective parts..

RTS

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Sounds good, but generally you are required by law to warranty "the job" for  
a minimum of one year as a contractor in Arizona.





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Just because it's from Amazon doesn't mean that it's quality cable. (I trie
d to find the article but couldn't) I read a report on cheap Asian coax tha
t even went so far as to be fraudulently stamped "UL" which created a whole
 lot of problems for someone. Skimpy braid and cheap di-electric insulation
 required the whole job to be done over less than a year later because of p
oor transmission results. Usually wire is the relatively least expensive pa
rt on a job.

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Re: Still Got One Job to Finish
Just because it's from Amazon doesn't mean that it's quality cable. (I tried  
to find the article but couldn't) I read a report on cheap Asian coax that  
even went so far as to be fraudulently stamped "UL" which created a whole  
lot of problems for someone. Skimpy braid and cheap di-electric insulation  
required the whole job to be done over less than a year later because of  
poor transmission results. Usually wire is the relatively least expensive  
part on a job.

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Just because its from your regular distributor who sources it off shore  
doesn't mean its quality cable.







On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 9:03:13 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Come-on Bob,

Amazon doesn't give a shit if you ever buy from them again. My distributor  
had better give me as good as I can get or they know the consequences. It c
ertainly wouldn't pay for them to knowingly provide sub standard anything a
nd if it did occur they have no choice but to change sources or lose more b
usiness from their dealers. It's not that they can't be duped into a bad so
urce but once finding out they have no choice but to remedy it.  

If you buy bad wire from a distributor and you go back and show them and ot
hers do the same ..... they're going to change their source. Doesn't help y
ou now but if you see that they don't change in the future it was either a  
mistake on your end because nobody else complained or they will soon not be
 selling any more of that product and will sell something else.  

Same thing will happen with Amazon but much slower because they'll keep sel
ling it to new people all the time and just won't know (or care if) they ha
ve a problem. But eventually after they have accumulated enough bad reviews
 of the product will stop selling it. But you're gonna have a hard time get
ting re-reimbursed from them for a roll of wire that you already have insta
lled.

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Come-On Jim,

Given all the crap distrbutors have sold over the years I'll scope the wire  
when it comes in and take my chances.   I haven't been doing this for a few  
weeks you know.



On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 1:08:21 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Come-on Bob,

Amazon doesn't give a shit if you ever buy from them again. My distributor  
had better give me as good as I can get or they know the consequences. It  
certainly wouldn't pay for them to knowingly provide sub standard anything  
and if it did occur they have no choice but to change sources or lose more  
business from their dealers. It's not that they can't be duped into a bad  
source but once finding out they have no choice but to remedy it.

If you buy bad wire from a distributor and you go back and show them and  
others do the same ..... they're going to change their source. Doesn't help  
you now but if you see that they don't change in the future it was either a  
mistake on your end because nobody else complained or they will soon not be  
selling any more of that product and will sell something else.

Same thing will happen with Amazon but much slower because they'll keep  
selling it to new people all the time and just won't know (or care if) they  
have a problem. But eventually after they have accumulated enough bad  
reviews of the product will stop selling it. But you're gonna have a hard  
time getting re-reimbursed from them for a roll of wire that you already  
have installed.  



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Well, there was an issue with one of the spools of Amazon cable.  The spool  
screws all backed out vibrating around in the truck on the reel rack.  Of  
course that happened after we ran almost all of the cable off of the spool.  
The wire tested fine, and the video looks good.




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On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 4:37:50 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Yep ...... it the oooolll vibrating screw problem...... yessss!

I had that problem a few times in my life but the end results were always positive.

Re: Still Got One Job to Finish
On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 9:03:13 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Check monoprice for cabes etc very good pricing  

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Thanks,  I forgot all about them.  Bought a bunch of customer speced patch  
cables from them years ago.  No isseues.  I just checked their siamese CCTV  
and its was close to the price of Amazon.  Only about $10 more.  If any of  
my regular distributors had been in that price range I'd have bought from  
them.




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The customer keeps adding stuff to the job.  Cameras, convenience monitors,  
misc repairs, etc.  Can't really complain as he pays, but I really am trying  
to get out of the business.






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