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I still recall Robert Bass calling me up to brag endlessly and complain  
about Mike Sabodish only to have Mike call me a little later to carry on  
about Robert Bass.  Don't worry, machinists and tackle makers have the same  
kinds of guys and more of them.  I'm not missing out.  LOL.



Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:38:23 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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In the beginning (late 90's) I had high hopes that this would ultimately tu
rn into what Steve Ryckman(?) had envisioned. That is, until a long time la
ter when I discovered that chaos is somewhat the norm in Usenet, With Bass,
 ASA never stood a chance of allowing for any civility and although I purpo
sely contributed to events, it was perpetrated in opposition to his bellige
rence. It was just a case of me being more stubborn than he. But even witho
ut me, chaos would have prevailed anyway.  

Just goes to show how death can affect change. Sometimes for the better.

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:38:23 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Re: Remember the Good Old Days
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ass could even keep up with todays technolgy especially all the cell ular a
nd automation

Ahh .... I dohknow bout that.  

There's no denying that he was a pretty smart guy.
Unfortunately it was his obsessive need to think that anything that he did  
or thought was the only possible alternative, without consideration of anyo
ne else.  

I know he could make a Napco 9600 control panel jump through hoops. I've be
en using Napco for over 30 years and still never had a need to do some of t
he things he was able to program those panels to do. The 9600 was ahead of  
it's time and little recognized by the trade for it's capabilities which st
ill aren't too shabby in comparison to some of the newer panels all these y
ears later. He used the scheduling and holiday features to accommodate Orth
odox Jewish restrictions on the uses of technology during certain holidays  
in some pretty intuitive and amazing ways.

And ..... if you think about it ..... he was ahead of his time as far as th
e DIY aspect that the alarm industry is presently taking. I don't know if h
is web site is still active but if it is, I'd guess it's doing some great b
usiness in the present climate.  

I think his capabilities deserve some recognition but his totally deliberat
e disruptive personality more than overshadowed any respect that he might h
ave achieved ,,,,,,, at least in this forum.

I have thought that perhaps he took on a different persona than his real se
lf when he participated in the groups that he disrupted on Usenet. I mean h
e actually reported someone to the FAA and told lies that caused someone to
 have their flying license revoked! And he did that because of a disagreeme
nt he had with him in Usenet. How can someone do something like that and fe
el justified about it and be considered a sane and civil person? Didn't see
m to bother him in the least.

I deliberately, aggressively and openly opposed him in this group way beyon
d anything that anyone else did but I didn't hide the fact that I was disru
pting a group that was already being disrupted by his aggressions. In other
 words, if he could take on a onerous persona and disrupt the group, so cou
ld someone else. And what difference did it make because no one could accom
plish anything here, with or with out me. I'm just too stubborn to let anyo
ne walk all over me with impunity. I know a number (maybe all) of the peopl
e in this group thought that I was a raging asshole but I never was angry,  
I just took on the persona of someone as outrageous as he was. If no one el
se was going to be allowed to accomplish anything here because of his disru
ptions, then I wasn't going to let him accomplish anything either.  

Story be told, maybe in his real life he was a good person but ... in my op
inion, judged by what he appeared to be here and in Usenet... he met a just
 end.

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 4:36:44 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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I certainly didn't care for the guy but knowing people who've died from lung cancer he didn't deserve to go out that way, nobody does

That said I don't miss him (or Mike) either


Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 11:10:38 PM UTC-4, mleuck wrote:
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Yeah, I've seen a few pass that way also. Not a nice thing to happen to anyone...  except him. I think the word Karma fits the situation .... nicely.


Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Monday, September 11, 2017 at 5:26:13 PM UTC-5, NickMark wrote:
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He'd figure out a way to bullshit through it all tho I don't ever recall him mentioning either technology

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:38:23 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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I too spent many years on this newsgroup before it more of less died off. D
uring those many years, I had a lot of interface with Robert Bass, and unli
ke everyone else, I never had a single problem with him. We disagreed often
 on things, but always managed to work it out (and he usually ended up bein
g correct since I still had a lot to learn about our industry in those days
). Now I don't condone his negative behaviour in the least. But respect beg
ets respect, and he and I always treated each other that way. I took a lot  
of "heat" for even dealing with him, but I refused to stoop to negative beh
aviour then and still do now. I also got to know him personally when I was  
spending time in Florida back then, and he was much like I knew him on the  
internet. He was devoted to his parents, and well known and loved in the Br
azilian community down there, and I met many of his friends at that time fr
om that community. He was very welcoming to me and shared his beautiful hom
e with me on one occasion. I don't doubt he had a negative side as we all d
o, and which  he often exhibited on this newsgroup. But he was very smart t
echnically and often able to correct technical things said on the group.Per
haps those who where corrected didn't like it and instead of learning from  
it, took it personally- who knows. I do know he died in almost abject pover
ty, so I cannot comment on the worth of his business accumen either. But fo
r me, he provided a lot of assistance, and on several occasions, I was able
 to help him out in return. And that is what a technical newsgroup should b
e all about.  

This newsgroup was of great assistance to me for over a decade so for me, i
t was a total success. But like most newsgroups of the time, it was filled  
with people and opinions that went from hate, up through nonsense, all the  
way to brilliant. It was left for the reader to sift through the informatio
n to get that rare nugget or jewel to be discovered.

I fully expect even this post to solicit all sorts of hateful responses to  
which I can only say it was what it was to each person. I can only hope he  
has gone to a better place as will all of us eventually. I certainly don't  
wish ill of the dead  

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 10:05:14 AM UTC-4, Robert Campbell wrote
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 During those many years, I had a lot of interface with Robert Bass, and un
like everyone else, I never had a single problem with him. We disagreed oft
en on things, but always managed to work it out (and he usually ended up be
ing correct since I still had a lot to learn about our industry in those da
ys). Now I don't condone his negative behaviour in the least. But respect b
egets respect, and he and I always treated each other that way. I took a lo
t of "heat" for even dealing with him, but I refused to stoop to negative b
ehaviour then and still do now. I also got to know him personally when I wa
s spending time in Florida back then, and he was much like I knew him on th
e internet. He was devoted to his parents, and well known and loved in the  
Brazilian community down there, and I met many of his friends at that time  
from that community. He was very welcoming to me and shared his beautiful h
ome with me on one occasion. I don't doubt he had a negative side as we all
 do, and which  he often exhibited on this newsgroup. But he was very smart
 technically and often able to correct technical things said on the group.P
erhaps those who where corrected didn't like it and instead of learning fro
m it, took it personally- who knows. I do know he died in almost abject pov
erty, so I cannot comment on the worth of his business accumen either. But  
for me, he provided a lot of assistance, and on several occasions, I was ab
le to help him out in return. And that is what a technical newsgroup should
 be all about.  
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 it was a total success. But like most newsgroups of the time, it was fille
d with people and opinions that went from hate, up through nonsense, all th
e way to brilliant. It was left for the reader to sift through the informat
ion to get that rare nugget or jewel to be discovered.
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o which I can only say it was what it was to each person. I can only hope h
e has gone to a better place as will all of us eventually. I certainly don'
t wish ill of the dead


Hello Robert,
Good to know you're still looking at the grass from the top,

I think that too much time has passed for you to get any kind of "hateful r
esponse" anymore. 99.9% of the time .... civility reigns here now.

However, Though I can't comment on your personal experience with Bass, I on
ly know what he was and did in this forum and Usenet. So I guess I can agre
e with you on his capabilities but as for the last part, if there really is
 a "place" to go, I hope it wasn't a good one. He was a deceitful, vile and
 vengeful person who in my opinion, for all of the years and years of perso
nal pain and aggravation he caused people in Usenet .... he should have nev
er been born and I can't express the relief I felt what he died. I never fe
lt that way about another person in my life ..... but him.  

Can't say I hated him ....... just despised his total self-centered lack of
 respect for others.  

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 10:11:46 PM UTC-4, Jim Davis wrote:
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f. During those many years, I had a lot of interface with Robert Bass, and  
unlike everyone else, I never had a single problem with him. We disagreed o
ften on things, but always managed to work it out (and he usually ended up  
being correct since I still had a lot to learn about our industry in those  
days). Now I don't condone his negative behaviour in the least. But respect
 begets respect, and he and I always treated each other that way. I took a  
lot of "heat" for even dealing with him, but I refused to stoop to negative
 behaviour then and still do now. I also got to know him personally when I  
was spending time in Florida back then, and he was much like I knew him on  
the internet. He was devoted to his parents, and well known and loved in th
e Brazilian community down there, and I met many of his friends at that tim
e from that community. He was very welcoming to me and shared his beautiful
 home with me on one occasion. I don't doubt he had a negative side as we a
ll do, and which  he often exhibited on this newsgroup. But he was very sma
rt technically and often able to correct technical things said on the group
.Perhaps those who where corrected didn't like it and instead of learning f
rom it, took it personally- who knows. I do know he died in almost abject p
overty, so I cannot comment on the worth of his business accumen either. Bu
t for me, he provided a lot of assistance, and on several occasions, I was  
able to help him out in return. And that is what a technical newsgroup shou
ld be all about.  
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e, it was a total success. But like most newsgroups of the time, it was fil
led with people and opinions that went from hate, up through nonsense, all  
the way to brilliant. It was left for the reader to sift through the inform
ation to get that rare nugget or jewel to be discovered.
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 to which I can only say it was what it was to each person. I can only hope
 he has gone to a better place as will all of us eventually. I certainly do
n't wish ill of the dead
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 response" anymore. 99.9% of the time .... civility reigns here now.
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only know what he was and did in this forum and Usenet. So I guess I can ag
ree with you on his capabilities but as for the last part, if there really  
is a "place" to go, I hope it wasn't a good one. He was a deceitful, vile a
nd vengeful person who in my opinion, for all of the years and years of per
sonal pain and aggravation he caused people in Usenet .... he should have n
ever been born and I can't express the relief I felt what he died. I never  
felt that way about another person in my life ..... but him.  
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of respect for others.

Yup, still above ground. My son and our two full time technicians run the b
usiness now and they have expanded it into several other high tech arenas.  
As a result, RMR has soared and he invoices amounts for work done far beyon
d anything I ever did. I spend my time semi-retired doing office work and b
illing, which keeps me involved to the degree I want. We still maintain the
 "standards" I set years ago...total upfront honesty with clients selling t
hem only what they need, month to month contracts ONLY, and now high end ne
twork management capabilities for our increasing base of large commercial c
ustomers.  

ADT bought Protectron, and they now handling monitoring services in a dread
ful manner, so our accounts are being moved off to another responsible moni
toring company. This is taking some time but it gives us an opportunity to  
revisit each client and ensure all is working well.    

All in all, life is revolving exactly as I would wish. All the best to you  
and the remainder of the "old gang" still here..


Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 6:38:23 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Those would be 2 calls I'd rather have passed on taking :)

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Sunday, September 10, 2017 at 7:38:23 PM UTC-4, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Nice to hear some chatter from the old gang.  Might stop in here more often again.

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
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en again.

I would guess that Usenet in general is not as occupied as it used to be be
cause of all the "Social Media" services that the younger generation have b
ecome attached to. Back in the 90's Usenet was the most popular (I think).
  

I've been involved with some sort of communication since I was 17 years old
 in the US Navy. Taking Morse Code at over 60 words per minute, sending at  
close to 100 WPM and typing teletype at 120 words per minute or faster. Now
, though I don't use Facebook or Tweeting etc, I text a lot. But when I see
 these texting races that they have it makes me think about the fact that b
ack in the sixties I was sending and receiving messages via Morse Code at m
ore than twice the speed that the fastest "texters" can send messages. But  
..... I guess it's "progress of some sort"  

From what little I see of other Usenet groups that I happen across there ar
e still some that are quite volatile but generally I think it has quieted d
own from what it was at it's peak.

I think it would be really cool if ASA could build it's self up again but w
ith a more mature approach and maybe a restatement of the rules that Frank  
reposted so long ago. However, it "IS" Usenet and as we all know there is n
o way to control blatant disregard for the concerns of others. Everyone can
 say anything about anyone and there's no way to control who posts what.  

Anyway..... it would be nice if it could happen.
  

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Sunday, 10 September 2017 19:38:23 UTC-4, Bob La Londe  wrote:
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2017! wow, this is current, far out, I recognize some names here. I forget  
what I used to post under, I think I was incognito ha! I used to mix it up  
with him myself. Overbearing fellow but I'm thinking his dead the way this  
thread is going and uh... no constant interruptions to get his sig line out
 there

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Sunday, September 24, 2017 at 6:04:00 PM UTC-4, medi0...@gmail.com wrote
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t what I used to post under, I think I was incognito ha! I used to mix it u
p with him myself. Overbearing fellow but I'm thinking his dead the way thi
s thread is going and uh... no constant interruptions to get his sig line o
ut there

Yep, you got him pegged.
  
There's about a half a dozen or so of the "old crowd" still hanging out her
e.  
Sometimes there's some discussion about alarms but not much anymore. Most t
hreads digress into personal musings and opinions on unrelated subjects. Ha
ven't seen an end user question here in ages. As I say, I think the "Social
 Media" groups see most of that traffic now and You Tube videos abound rega
rding alarm matters.  

There are some moderated groups that are linked to this Forum but I don't k
now if they get to see threads in this group that are not started by someon
e within the moderated group. I've tried to join some of those groups but t
here are so many people in them that by the time you get to read someone's  
questions, 20 other people have already answered it. I don't get to sit dow
n and do this every day but in those other groups there is maybe a half doz
en people who answer 99% of the questions. I can't imagine where they find  
he time to be available to answer questions all day long, every day. I just
 leaves other potential contributors out of the mix.  

But anyway, check in more often. Maybe there's a Renaissance occurring.  
  


Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Sunday, 24 September 2017 19:19:48 UTC-4, Jim Davis  wrote:
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get what I used to post under, I think I was incognito ha! I used to mix it
 up with him myself. Overbearing fellow but I'm thinking his dead the way t
his thread is going and uh... no constant interruptions to get his sig line
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 threads digress into personal musings and opinions on unrelated subjects.  
Haven't seen an end user question here in ages. As I say, I think the "Soci
al Media" groups see most of that traffic now and You Tube videos abound re
garding alarm matters.  
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 know if they get to see threads in this group that are not started by some
one within the moderated group. I've tried to join some of those groups but
 there are so many people in them that by the time you get to read someone'
s questions, 20 other people have already answered it. I don't get to sit d
own and do this every day but in those other groups there is maybe a half d
ozen people who answer 99% of the questions. I can't imagine where they fin
d he time to be available to answer questions all day long, every day. I ju
st leaves other potential contributors out of the mix.  
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I do remember a Jim from those newsgroup days, can't recall much more detai
l, not sure if you're him but hullo! BobbyD sorta rings a bell, others I re
cognize, Campbell, cripes, no getting away from that guy :-)
I'll be lurking for sure, maybe give Honeywell techs a break hahaha
been replacing panels, adding alarmnet, lots o' fun

Leuck still bombing around on that bike?


Re: Remember the Good Old Days
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orget what I used to post under, I think I was incognito ha! I used to mix  
it up with him myself. Overbearing fellow but I'm thinking his dead the way
 this thread is going and uh... no constant interruptions to get his sig li
ne out there
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st threads digress into personal musings and opinions on unrelated subjects
. Haven't seen an end user question here in ages. As I say, I think the "So
cial Media" groups see most of that traffic now and You Tube videos abound  
regarding alarm matters.  
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't know if they get to see threads in this group that are not started by so
meone within the moderated group. I've tried to join some of those groups b
ut there are so many people in them that by the time you get to read someon
e's questions, 20 other people have already answered it. I don't get to sit
 down and do this every day but in those other groups there is maybe a half
 dozen people who answer 99% of the questions. I can't imagine where they f
ind he time to be available to answer questions all day long, every day. I  
just leaves other potential contributors out of the mix.  
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ail, not sure if you're him but hullo! BobbyD sorta rings a bell, others I  
recognize, Campbell, cripes, no getting away from that guy :-)
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Yeah, He checks in occasionally with a snide remark to someone. On average  
I'd say ...... For every good post he makes there are three that are snotty
.  

Oh yeah! I think he used to ride one of those retarded bikes. I seem to rem
ember a picture of him somewhere wearing leotards or something standing bes
ide his recliner bikey thingy. Cute!  

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
On Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:24:34 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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x it up with him myself. Overbearing fellow but I'm thinking his dead the w
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Most threads digress into personal musings and opinions on unrelated subjec
ts. Haven't seen an end user question here in ages. As I say, I think the "
Social Media" groups see most of that traffic now and You Tube videos aboun
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on't know if they get to see threads in this group that are not started by  
someone within the moderated group. I've tried to join some of those groups
 but there are so many people in them that by the time you get to read some
one's questions, 20 other people have already answered it. I don't get to s
it down and do this every day but in those other groups there is maybe a ha
lf dozen people who answer 99% of the questions. I can't imagine where they
 find he time to be available to answer questions all day long, every day.  
I just leaves other potential contributors out of the mix.  
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etail, not sure if you're him but hullo! BobbyD sorta rings a bell, others  
I recognize, Campbell, cripes, no getting away from that guy :-)
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e I'd say ...... For every good post he makes there are three that are snot
ty.  

1 to 3? Naaa it's about 50-50 unless of course the Moni-t-rONICS guy shows  
up then it's 90% snide

Re: Remember the Good Old Days
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orget what I used to post under, I think I was incognito ha! I used to mix  
it up with him myself. Overbearing fellow but I'm thinking his dead the way
 this thread is going and uh... no constant interruptions to get his sig li
ne out there
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st threads digress into personal musings and opinions on unrelated subjects
. Haven't seen an end user question here in ages. As I say, I think the "So
cial Media" groups see most of that traffic now and You Tube videos abound  
regarding alarm matters.  
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't know if they get to see threads in this group that are not started by so
meone within the moderated group. I've tried to join some of those groups b
ut there are so many people in them that by the time you get to read someon
e's questions, 20 other people have already answered it. I don't get to sit
 down and do this every day but in those other groups there is maybe a half
 dozen people who answer 99% of the questions. I can't imagine where they f
ind he time to be available to answer questions all day long, every day. I  
just leaves other potential contributors out of the mix.  
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ail, not sure if you're him but hullo! BobbyD sorta rings a bell, others I  
recognize, Campbell, cripes, no getting away from that guy :-)
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Always, just finished 45 miles tonight

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