Radioncs 9112 lockcode

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Good evening all,
 I just got a Radionics 9112 panel, first thing I did was lock the reset
pin and try to check for a lockcode with my 5200. Of course it was locked!
Is there a way to zap the code back to default, such as by removing the
coin cell battery? Are there certain lockcodes that people use a lot, like
54321 or 11111 or something that I might want to try? One other thing, is
there a way to use a D1252 on that panel in an unsupervised fashion, such
as on serial bus?

Any help is appreciated,
 Logan

Re: Radioncs 9112 lockcode
Once you remove the lithium cell with the panel powered down, you now have a
totally useless panel. I can however fix this. You will need to send me the
board for unlocking. There is no magic key, just a custom interface &
software we use to restore locked out panels.

Jim Rojas



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Re: Radioncs 9112 lockcode
It has one master lock then several underlings.
If Jim can unlock it go for it...otherwise there is no way.


| Good evening all,
| I just got a Radionics 9112 panel, first thing I did was lock the reset
| pin and try to check for a lockcode with my 5200. Of course it was locked!
| Is there a way to zap the code back to default, such as by removing the
| coin cell battery? Are there certain lockcodes that people use a lot, like
| 54321 or 11111 or something that I might want to try? One other thing, is
| there a way to use a D1252 on that panel in an unsupervised fashion, such
| as on serial bus?
|
| Any help is appreciated,
| Logan



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Since you said you are using a D5200 I assume you are talking about the data
lock code and not the RAM password. There is a way to unlock a data locked
panel. There is a single back door code installed by the original programmer
of the panel software back in the days when Salinas (I can still smell the
chocolate) was headquarters (and he told his bosses to their face there
wasn't one). There is a technique for doing it that involves the placement
of the back door code in the proper position of data lock codes. It does
also involve removing CMOS battery power (for about 5 minutes to drain the
capacitors - on 9412GV2 panels it takes about 30 minutes because of the
"super" capacitors they use instead of the regular ones on the older
panels). Once you do that you can set the data lock code to default. If you
don't want to do that you can send it back to Bosch to unlock it but they
will charge you $40.00 to do it (if you're still a valid Bosch dealer -or
even if you're on repair staus if you've been kicked off for lack of sales
volume). Do you have RPS software or are you stuck with the D5200
programmer? What version of firmware is in the panel? I think they're up to
6.81 now.
On the second question I think it is a D1255 keypad on G series panels (the
D1252 works on the D8112 series) and you can set it to being supervised or
not in the software. Did anyone ever let you attend a G series training
class?

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I always get a laugh out of that, sorry Mr Small Insignificant Dealer, due
to the fact that you are not selling enough Radionics product we are going
to drop you as a dealer, OK fine thanks very much but just how is that going
to increase sales of Radionics products?

Doug
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(if you're still a valid Bosch dealer -or
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If you think Bosch is bad about kicking dealers off for lack of volume how
about GE? GE went from 1300 dealers (when it bought Infographics) to 300 and
is shooting for 100. Ouch!

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Roland Moore said:

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Tell us more.  What is that back door lock code?  Maybe you can write a
Technogram...

- badenov











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The guy in the original post sounded a bit confused but he might be legit.
If you've been to RPS class they tell you about the unlock code. It is not a
secret. The bad guys already know about it. I didn't say what the code was
or where to put it or fully explain the process. Why not let the good guys
that don't know about it yet find out. Once they know it exists they can go
through proper channels to find out the particulars if they need to unlock a
panel. If they're the bad guy they'll keep guessing. Bosch panels end up in
some pretty high security areas. If you've data locked a panel and think it
is bullet-proof I think it is important to know that there is a way to
defeat it. I just explained that there is a hole in the data lock feature
and how it came to be. You might rely too much on data lock when you should
actually do more to protect the panel and its data from attack. I was trying
to be helpful to those concerns. I didn't rat out anything here.

"Technograms" from Bosch these days usually mean you're going to have to go
out and yank some panels or reprogram something. It is doing Bosch work for
free (or almost free - they give you a $75.00 CREDIT when you have to swap a
panel). We did panel swaps at about 30 locations in the past 12 months (GV2
panels) TWICE! Boy, that really inspires confidence from a customer when you
have to swap his new panel twice in less than a year. I really hate to see
Technograms.

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Re: Radioncs 9112 lockcode
Roland Moore said:

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I've never felt the need to go to an RPS class, since I've been using RAM
since before it had Roman numerals.  Do they actually give you the back
door code in class, or just tell you that it exists?

Datalock was never intended as a way to keep bad guys out of programming.
It was developed at the request of the big alarm companies, who wanted to
prevent their smaller competitors from reprogramming their panels.  This is
why there is no way to use a 5200 to restore a panel to the factory
defaults if the lock code is unknown:  that feature would allow one alarm
company to take over another alarm company's panel.

Personally, I think if the customer owns the panel, then any Bosch dealer
should be able to default it and reprogram it.  Bosch disagrees.  But what
really pisses me off is that if the lithium battery in a panel dies, and AC
and main battery are disconnected, the panel cannot be reprogrammed by
anyone except the Bosch factory.  I'm locked out of panels that I paid for!
And I have to pay Bosch an extortion fee to get them fixed.  It's doubly
bad, since in some of the panels, the lithium battery is soldered into the
board, and changing it is no easy matter.  Preventive maintenance is not an
option.

- badenov


Re: Radioncs 9112 lockcode
 >Do they actually give you the back door code in class, or just tell you
that it exists?
They do actually give the codes and positions in RPS class. Then they say
"you might think you saw the codes here but you actually didn't". It is not
as simple as a single entry either. You know there is a difference in the
data lock code and the position it occupies in the data lock field as to how
it works (since there are 50 entries), you know the reprogramming and non
reprogramming deal.
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I think there are many folks at Bosch that agree with you that it is your
panel and you should be able to default it. Perhaps that is why the
information "leaks" out and Bosch doesn't put the hammer down to stop it. So
armed with that knowledge you could take over an account but in our state
there is some rule now (or in the works shortly) that you can't lock in a
customer. If a customer wants to change I say let them go and now the state
does too! Most of the time I am itching to get rid of a customer more than
they are me, I guess I enjoy "firing" a customer in some perverse way,
mostly it is seeing the shocked look on their face. I guess ADT has their
lawyers give you a call to tell you how much time you have left on your
contract. Some customers you can never seem to get rid of. There is one guy
we thought we got rid of. He went to eight alarm companies and then came
back. Good customers are getting harder to find. I guess that is why we do
mostly large commercial stuff.
I have never experienced a dead lithium battery in a panel yet so I have not
brushed up against that problem. (Or maybe I have and just too stupid to
realize it and thought it was a bad panel). The only dead lithum battery I
have found was in a D5200 and like an idiot I sent it back to find that out
because I never thought to check it before I sent it back for repair. The
symptoms were a screen full of ZZZZZZs when it powered up.
You are correct that datalock was originally developed at the requerst of
larger national account type customers. ADT despite everything is still the
number one volume customer for Bosch.

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Re: Radioncs 9112 lockcode
replying to Logan, mike wrote:
There is a back door LOCKOUT code for all BOSCH Radionics panels this code is
only on the  firmware chip on the board it took me 20 years to figure out how
this code works it is a back door code they can only be used if the panel is
completely dead (CALL FOR SERVICE) on the keypad I have this code now obtained
by reading the firmware chip programming mounts of looking at thousands of pages
of numbers.

P. S there is no way to default a Radionics panel

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Sure there is.

You take it off the wall and throw it in the garbage can.

There!    Defaulted ....... and never to arise again.

It was always my opinion that the sole purpose of any company that used Rad
ionics equipment was precisely for the purpose of locking in their customer
s and keeping out other alarm companies from taking over their customers. A
nd ..... that this ultimately led to those companies decline.  

If you don't have customers because they "want" to be your customers ......
. If your customers are "captured"  ...... it ultimately leads to you and y
our employees thinking that there is no reason to give the best of service.
 It's just human nature. If a company doesn't "have" to give good service b
ecause they can't leave you anyway then..... you wont. If you have to give  
good service or they'll leave you ..... you will. (Well, at least "most" co
mpanies will.  

Lockouts may work for awhile but when a problem occurs and your customers e
ventually figure that out that they don't have a choice .... at the first o
pportunity they will leave you.  

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replying to mike, D wrote:
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I have 3 separate 9000 Main Panels , two  9412G and one 7412G that are now
responding to RPS with 5017 invalid datalock . I have replaced the Li 3volt
battery in each .How can I save the $150 extortion fee Bosch now wants to
restore these already older control panels? Is the back door code the same for
all or specific to each (firmware chip) ?

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