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This is a question for Nick to help keep his brain functions working.

NFPA 72 says that the pull station should be mounted at 42-54" AFF

ADA says that the pull station should be mounted at 48" AFF

PA Title 34 Part 1 says between 36" and 44" AFF


So what does ANSI A117.1-2003 say???

I can't seem to find an exact reference to this listing.

Nick can you quote the section on this item???

Thanks in advance.

Les



Re: Pull Station Height
Hello all,

Well I was hoping that Nick was still on line but it seems that he is not.
So does anyone else have an answer to the question below??
It never ceases to amaze me that for every rule there seems to be a
different opinion.

TIA   Les
============================================

This is a question for Nick to help keep his brain functions working.

NFPA 72 says that the pull station should be mounted at 42-54" AFF

ADA says that the pull station should be mounted at 48" AFF

PA Title 34 Part 1 says between 36" and 44" AFF


So what does ICC ANSI A117.1-2003 say???

I can't seem to find an exact reference to this listing.

Nick can you quote the section on this item???

Thanks in advance.

Les




Re: Pull Station Height
Ask the AHJ...we did an OSCO's drug store a few years ago all the pulls were
at 44 fff and the fhar marshall made us move them down...seemed ridiculous
to me since they could easily be blocked from view, besides looking dumb.

Sometimes this ADA stuff is really dumb...there's a Home Depot nearby that
has 22 freekin' handicapped parking spaces...22?!! Do that many handicapped
folks really drive to Home Depot with their 'Vettes to pickup 2 tons of
concrete??? I ask you!

--
**Crash Gordon**






| Hello all,
|
| Well I was hoping that Nick was still on line but it seems that he is not.
| So does anyone else have an answer to the question below??
| It never ceases to amaze me that for every rule there seems to be a
| different opinion.
|
| TIA   Les
| ============================================
|
| This is a question for Nick to help keep his brain functions working.
|
| NFPA 72 says that the pull station should be mounted at 42-54" AFF
|
| ADA says that the pull station should be mounted at 48" AFF
|
| PA Title 34 Part 1 says between 36" and 44" AFF
|
|
| So what does ICC ANSI A117.1-2003 say???
|
| I can't seem to find an exact reference to this listing.
|
| Nick can you quote the section on this item???
|
| Thanks in advance.
|
| Les
|
|
|



Re: Pull Station Height
Crash, thanks for the response.

That is just it the AHJ is specify ICC ANSI  A117.1-2003 as the Bible for
the pull station mounting height.  So I have been searching and the best I
can find (15 minutes ago) is a discussion group statement of 15" to 48" for
all devices.

So I could go and ask verbally the question of the AHJ but I would like to
read it for myself first.  The AHJ seems to want to specify in writing the
paragraph with chapter and verse but simply does not give the body of text.

Any references to the ANSI A117.1-2003 would be helpful.

Thanks.

Les




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Re: Pull Station Height
I did a google  search  and only reference i could find was to use current
NFPA guide line for placement of devices.

(my rule of thumb is to carry a copy of NFPA 72  and the states BC,  when
asked by anyone AHJ's or Inspectors  I reference the book ,  If thats not
good enough for them  then I request they supply the readable reference
book.
Never had a problem after that)

RTS


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ridiculous
dumb.
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Re: Pull Station Height
"RockyTSquirrel" wrote:
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ADA says very little about alarm systems.  The entire subject of fire alarms
is covered under ADA section 4.28 and a few appendix notes.  Mostly it talks
about audible and visible notification appliance requirements.  There is a
height requirement for alarms in elevator cars and some inspectors seem to
take that as being the requirement for pull stations as well.  There are
references to NFPA72, to which ADA seems to accept as the standard for most
everything else.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Oops!  I meant to include the following:

Pull stations need to have unobstructed floor space for wheelchairs.
They must be installed at least 15" and not more than 48" above the finished
floor for forward access.  If access is to the side, the requirement is not
lower than 9" nor higher than 54" above the floor.

The earlier post referenced the ADAAG (Guideline) which doesn't cover all the
details.  Sorry for the confusion.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota Florida 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-232-0791
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>


Re: Pull Station Height
Robert L Bass wrote:
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the question was ANSI requirement.  none of that blather has anything to
do with answering the question.  geez what a putz.

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Actually it does.

I have come to learn that ANSI is exactly the same as ADA.  Which is what I
needed to know.

Les



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ABLE_1 wrote:
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where does it say that is bAss post?

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There must be a loose connection.  Your last transmission was garbled.
Must be a lot of static on the line.  Say what???

Try typing s l o w l y and c l e a r l y and then re-read your post.

Seems that we all miss a word(s) now and then.

I don't know why I am explaining this since you all ready knew that, right??





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"Cracker" wrote:
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Well, yes. You certainly are, Cracker.  However, you're wrong (as usual).  The
ANSI standard looks to ADA and NFPA72.  It does not create any additional
requirements.  If you'd take your head out of that dark anatomical tunnel of
yours long enough to learn the trade instead of auto-posting moronic attacks
perhaps you'd know that.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota Florida 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-232-0791
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>


Re: Pull Station Height
Robert L Bass wrote:

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You are the very LAST person I would seek any advice or information from
regarding either NFPA, NEC, ADA, or ANSI.  You're the one that argued
that it's illegal to interconnect an AC smoke alarm to a home alarm
system (even after the NFPA section detailing you could was posted).
ISTR you also stated that connecting any fire detection device to a home
security system would turn it into a "listed fire alarm system".  The
fact that you're a moron, a bully and a coward goes without saying.

Re: Pull Station Height
Yes that all may be true, but he seems to be healthy now, and there is
nothing wrong with that.

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Re: Pull Station Height
Roland Moore wrote:
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Unfortunately when he's "healthy" and "in the pink", he's at his most
obnoxious.  Every thing's wrong with that.

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I wonder what an inspector would do if some tech mounted the pull station at
15" AFF???



Re: Pull Station Height
Here's what ya doo....install one starting at 15", then another at 12" abv
that...and so on up to 54" or so....or maybe on Greenfield and move it
wherever they want on inspection day.

Ya know I always hated when the AHJ would never give a definitive answer
BEFORE the job, but on inspection day suddenly they know exactly where THEY
want it.



--
**Crash Gordon**






|> Pull stations need to have unobstructed floor space for wheelchairs.
| > They must be installed at least 15" and not more than 48" above the
| > finished floor for forward access.  If access is to the side, the
| > requirement is not lower than 9" nor higher than 54" above the floor.
|
|
| I wonder what an inspector would do if some tech mounted the pull station
at
| 15" AFF???
|
|



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Crash Gordon wrote:
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Mount it on a track so the height is adjustable to where-ever the
inspector of the day thinks it should be.  :-)

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That's called, "I HAVE THE POWER SYNDROME"..........
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Re: Pull Station Height
..and why i hate commercial fire jobs and don't do them any longer...too
much bullshit.

--
**Crash Gordon**






|
| > Here's what ya doo....install one starting at 15", then another at 12"
abv
| > that...and so on up to 54" or so....or maybe on Greenfield and move it
| > wherever they want on inspection day.
| >
| > Ya know I always hated when the AHJ would never give a definitive answer
| > BEFORE the job, but on inspection day suddenly they know exactly where
| > THEY
| > want it.
| >
| >
| That's called, "I HAVE THE POWER SYNDROME"..........
| >
| > --
| > **Crash Gordon**
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > |> Pull stations need to have unobstructed floor space for wheelchairs.
| > | > They must be installed at least 15" and not more than 48" above the
| > | > finished floor for forward access.  If access is to the side, the
| > | > requirement is not lower than 9" nor higher than 54" above the
floor.
| > |
| > |
| > | I wonder what an inspector would do if some tech mounted the pull
| > station
| > at
| > | 15" AFF???
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|



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