OT: Telus is dropping their news server.

I use Teranews.com

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You can get to this group thru Google news groups as well

Yes, but I like to use my mail program to respond to emails as well as usenet.

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I tried Google groups. Royal pain. I'll try Giganews for a couple of months and see how that goes.

I use Google. It's kinda messy at first, trying to find this group, but once I did, I just bookmarked the sign-in page and now it just takes a couple of second to sign on. They don't require any personal info and I can keep a low profile and this is all I use it for anyway. Works for me.

I prefer using a news reader. I happen to like using Thunderbird.

On a side note... I figure as an official "beta tester" for Microsoft

2010 Office, I'd receive a "thank you" in the form of either a free upgrade to the full version or a deeply discounted price to do so. MS isn't even offering an "upgrade" version (except to those individuals that bought Office 2007 as part of a new computer purchase - and then you have to activate it in a very narrow "window"). That just plain sucks. I use Professional because I write a lot of Access apps. Would have been nice to upgrade to 2010. Glad I saved everything I did as a "2007" file.

Rant mode "off".

RHC: Frank, why bother spending any money on new versions of Office (rhetorically speaking....I'm sure you have your reasons). I'm still using an old copy of Office 2000 that does everything I could want to do with this program. I get severely pissed with programs such as Quick Books where they keep trying to get you to upgrade to get some minor upgrade I wouldn't use anyway.

Until recently, I was still using Quick Books 2000 but did decide to buy the latest version (2010). That one should keep me going for the next decade at least.....:))

Problem is, ( and I feel the same as you) the operating systems change and when you buy a new computer, the old applications are not compatable with the new operating system. I use Word Perfect, word processor and have for about 20 or more years ( before it was even called Word Perfect) I Never use Word in spite of the fact that they stole most of their functions from WP. This computer I have now will be the last one that I can use my old version on. I'll have to get a new version of WP for my next computer. And .... I don't even know if I'll be able to convert all of my old saved files to the new WP format. I'm having some trouble with this computer converting some old files.

RHC: Yeah, that is the price of progress I guess. I too have to keep a couple of old computers around in order to dial in with DOS level software for some of my older panels. Then there is the problem of 64 bit machines versus the older 32 bit computers, but I have been able to solve most of those problems using Virtual Machine. This lets you load another operating system software (even 32 bit Win XP) on a Win 7 X64 bit machine) inside the modern operating system.. Its a free download and worth taking a look at ....it might solve some of your problems

I'll keep that in mind. I think I have something like that on my present computer but I'm still using XP. I had a choice when I bought this computer to have XP or Win 7. I had my computer guy transfer all my files from my old computer to this one. I'm sure to have him do the next one too. Even so, I'm dealing with an old version of WP from my OLD old computer which I transfered to my last computer, then to this one. Some of those old, old files just wont open up for some reason. That State Department document on gun control that I posted recently was one of those documents. I couldn't open it and that's why I had to relocate the document on the Internet. They can't make stuff backward compatable forever.

The wife has used Word Perfect since the 5.1 and DOS days. I just loaded WP X-4 on her new computer. She's not having any problems opening the older files. Quattro Pro and Presentations are both far superior to Excel and Powerpoint.

Back in the DOS days it used to be called something else but I forget what it was.

According to Wiki, it's always been WordPerfect. For a couple of years before we found 5.1, we were using WordStar. Ahhh... The good old days!

Anyone remember using PFS: File & PFS: Write?

Those were the days...

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