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Yelloh! I'm looking for **very** old brinks equipment, (basically under the
 2000 series and under), and before you tell me about how its proprietary y
adda, I've got the necessary tools to program, and these aren't even going  
to be residentially installed. With that said, does anyone have any old bri
nks stuff? It will usually be something like DSS or DCU / DTI / Arrowhead /
 Scantronics

Re: Old Brinks equipment
On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 10:55:58 PM UTC-5, ian112...@gmail.com wro
te:
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he 2000 series and under), and before you tell me about how its proprietary
 yadda, I've got the necessary tools to program, and these aren't even goin
g to be residentially installed. With that said, does anyone have any old b
rinks stuff? It will usually be something like DSS or DCU / DTI / Arrowhead
 / Scantronics

I remember that junk, about the only place you will find those will be on E
bay

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got it, I just wanted to see if I would be able to get lucky.

Re: Old Brinks equipment
Hi Ian,

There are a few more places that they would be available throughout most of
 the US. I know for a fact of many places scattered around the southern US,
 and that would mostly be landfills. That is where most units went that I e
ncountered since the early 2000s.

On another similar depressing subject, Monitronics files & emerges from ban
kruptcy!

Monitronics International Inc., which operates the Brinks Home Security ser
vice, filed for bankruptcy after taking on too much debt and losing too man
y customers. 07/01/19

The home-monitoring company, which is owned by Ascent Capital Group Inc., l
isted debt of $1.84 billion in court documents filed in Houston, with plans
 calling for the company to eliminate $885 million of that amount. The Chap
ter 11 filing allows the company to stay in business and serve its approxim
ately 900,000 residential and commercial customers while it works out a rec
overy plan.  
(Most of that is probably from customer lawsuits after finding out that the
ir systems cannot be used by other alarm companies.)

You've heard the saying, birds of a feather, flock together... This certain
ly could not be more true than these 2 companies. Unbelievable!            
    

News Flash:
Monitronics emerges from bankruptcy with plans to hit public markets again  
08/30/2019. sigh... They've let the thugs out of jail again!  

Chris Baloney is the new chief marketing officer for Brinks Home Security.  
Oh sorry, that should have said Chris Moloney.

I'll tell you what Ian, I will send you every Brinks boards that I find, an
d you can send me every Monitronics boards that you find, since those are a
 cinch to get into and divert to any central station.

It should be totally illegal for any company that fails to clearly warn its
 potential customers that the motherboards are locked into the Brinks/Monit
ronics monitoring centers! You know, there just might be a precedent for th
at! I remember something about telephone companies somewhere in the past th
at used to lock their customers' phone numbers into their services. I think
 that now you can keep your number...Hmm. I think that is why I can move my
 5 cellular phone numbers to anyone's service, as I please.  

As an added benefit to this post, a customer told me about Cricket Wireless
 years ago. 5 lines for $100 total with tax, unlimited. It is owned by ATT.
 They did change it a little while ago, now you only get 4 lines for that p
rice so, I am grandfathered in. You just go online to cricketwireless.com a
nd purchase a sim card for $9.99.  

Hogan

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On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 11:09:09 AM UTC-7, Hogan wrote:
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of the US. I know for a fact of many places scattered around the southern U
S, and that would mostly be landfills. That is where most units went that I
 encountered since the early 2000s.
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ankruptcy!
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ervice, filed for bankruptcy after taking on too much debt and losing too m
any customers. 07/01/19
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 listed debt of $1.84 billion in court documents filed in Houston, with pla
ns calling for the company to eliminate $885 million of that amount. The Ch
apter 11 filing allows the company to stay in business and serve its approx
imately 900,000 residential and commercial customers while it works out a r
ecovery plan.  
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heir systems cannot be used by other alarm companies.)
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inly could not be more true than these 2 companies. Unbelievable!          
      
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n 08/30/2019. sigh... They've let the thugs out of jail again!  
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. Oh sorry, that should have said Chris Moloney.
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and you can send me every Monitronics boards that you find, since those are
 a cinch to get into and divert to any central station.
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ts potential customers that the motherboards are locked into the Brinks/Mon
itronics monitoring centers! You know, there just might be a precedent for  
that! I remember something about telephone companies somewhere in the past  
that used to lock their customers' phone numbers into their services. I thi
nk that now you can keep your number...Hmm. I think that is why I can move  
my 5 cellular phone numbers to anyone's service, as I please.  
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ss years ago. 5 lines for $100 total with tax, unlimited. It is owned by AT
T. They did change it a little while ago, now you only get 4 lines for that
 price so, I am grandfathered in. You just go online to cricketwireless.com
 and purchase a sim card for $9.99.  
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How many did you come across

Re: Old Brinks equipment
On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 11:09:09 AM UTC-7, Hogan wrote:
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of the US. I know for a fact of many places scattered around the southern U
S, and that would mostly be landfills. That is where most units went that I
 encountered since the early 2000s.
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ankruptcy!
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ervice, filed for bankruptcy after taking on too much debt and losing too m
any customers. 07/01/19
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 listed debt of $1.84 billion in court documents filed in Houston, with pla
ns calling for the company to eliminate $885 million of that amount. The Ch
apter 11 filing allows the company to stay in business and serve its approx
imately 900,000 residential and commercial customers while it works out a r
ecovery plan.  
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heir systems cannot be used by other alarm companies.)
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inly could not be more true than these 2 companies. Unbelievable!          
      
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n 08/30/2019. sigh... They've let the thugs out of jail again!  
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. Oh sorry, that should have said Chris Moloney.
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and you can send me every Monitronics boards that you find, since those are
 a cinch to get into and divert to any central station.
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ts potential customers that the motherboards are locked into the Brinks/Mon
itronics monitoring centers! You know, there just might be a precedent for  
that! I remember something about telephone companies somewhere in the past  
that used to lock their customers' phone numbers into their services. I thi
nk that now you can keep your number...Hmm. I think that is why I can move  
my 5 cellular phone numbers to anyone's service, as I please.  
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ss years ago. 5 lines for $100 total with tax, unlimited. It is owned by AT
T. They did change it a little while ago, now you only get 4 lines for that
 price so, I am grandfathered in. You just go online to cricketwireless.com
 and purchase a sim card for $9.99.  
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Also, werent monitronics control panels vista systems? If not, I have a ton
 lying around.

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Hi Ian,

Yes, Monitronics did use a vista panel with a chip that locks you out of be
ing able to program the central station number. That was their way of keepi
ng it only to themselves, and perhaps they will still keep on that route...
my best guess.

Their problem is that it is actually an infantile solution to try to secure
 their monopoly.  

   "The chip is the door to the central station telephone number that is st
ored on the mainboard."

So picture it, and you will see that if you change out their door with a br
and new door to the room that has the central station number, you will sudd
enly have access to it. After you change the central station number in the  
room, just put the old door back in so that you are not out the cost of a n
ew door. Though, those new doors can be bought on the open market anyway.

If you remember that most brands of boards actually store the information t
hat is inputted onto the mainboard, and not on the chip itself, then you wi
ll begin to see a fatal flaw with most systems.  

The same thing can be done to Concord, Concord Express, etc.

I decided a while ago to freely give it out to anyone who needs it. It is n
ot that any customers will be lost because of it, since customers more or l
ess stay because of the quality of their systems and the service of the com
pany that they are with.

So now, your ton of vista panels can now be used or sold. It's up to you. E
njoy your new found treasure.

As to actually wanting those Monitronics boards, they are not really appeal
ing since we would need to change out the chip anyway for modern day commun
icators. Perhaps for some 'tight' customer who does not want to dish out mu
ch at the onset, it might be good. But usually those types end up being a p
ain in the long run anyway. 'Happy Type Customers' are good customers, the  
others we leave to the competition...There are a lot of houses and business
es out there anyway.

Hogan

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On Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 10:23:43 PM UTC-5, nap...@gmail.com wrote:
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being able to program the central station number. That was their way of kee
ping it only to themselves, and perhaps they will still keep on that route.
..my best guess.

No that wasn't the reason, the REAL reason was to standardize programming,  
something not easy to do when you have hundreds of installers, did the same
 thing with Lynx, Interlogix Simon and Concord
  
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re their monopoly.  

Not really, it worked as designed, and the boards were unlocked when reques
ted

Not a monopoly at all when someone can replace the chip for next to nothing

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stored on the mainboard."

No it's on in the processor
  
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brand new door to the room that has the central station number, you will su
ddenly have access to it. After you change the central station number in th
e room, just put the old door back in so that you are not out the cost of a
 new door. Though, those new doors can be bought on the open market anyway.

Amazing isn't it?
  
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 that is inputted onto the mainboard, and not on the chip itself, then you  
will begin to see a fatal flaw with most systems.  

It's in the processor or a rom chip
  
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 not that any customers will be lost because of it, since customers more or
 less stay because of the quality of their systems and the service of the c
ompany that they are with.

Good for you
  
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 Enjoy your new found treasure.
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aling since we would need to change out the chip anyway for modern day comm
unicators.  

That's not true at all

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Hi Mark,

Well, if you really believe that to "standardize" programming on a mainboar
d, means that only the central station telco is set in stone, go ahead and  
keep on believing that.

To really standardize programming, you would want to set other parts of the
 board into non-changeable parameters.

It does not say much about that company's technicians, if they just cannot  
be trusted to input the correct telco number. I mean, they did send all the
 zones to the central station anyway at the install, didn't they? If that c
ompany was so concerned with 'standardization', they would have sent a sign
al from each zone to the central station. Then, would they not have seen th
at oops, no signals came in so I must have put in the wrong telco or accoun
t number maybe???

Sorry, it sounds very hollow to hear that all that was "Standardized", was  
the central station number.

And was does that say about those techs who could not be trusted to use the
 right telco number?  

I think that it is time to face the truth, as it appears that you have been
 in denial for quite a while. It's okay if you are not ready, at least just
 think about it some. Perhaps in time you will see that it does not ring tr
ue at all to everyone who has never been associated with Monitronics as lon
g as you have.

ADT which is a much bigger company, they trusted their techs to input the r
ight telco since they had very many different numbers. Gee wiz, if I could  
not trust a technician to use the right telco, I would not trust that tech  
to do anything right at all!!! He would be fired, and then, I guess he coul
d go to work for Monitronics- and I would even give him a recommendation!

Also Mark, I do need to address your claim about the location of the inform
ation. You see, years ago I discovered quite by accident about replacing th
e chip in a Honeywell panel. A customer whom we had for years, needed a ser
vice call and I had to get into the programming. The particular installer c
ode for his system somehow did not work. I was very puzzled as normal proce
dure before exiting programming for us is to do a final check on #88, as we
ll as #20 to make sure. This system did not react, I was locked out. For so
me reason that I do not remember, I somehow decided to just switch the chip
 instead of changing out the board. I took a new board and carefully remove
d the chip, and then inserted it into the locked board. Well, I was then ab
le to easily get into power-up, then * and #, and voila, I was into program
ming. So, I #20 and found that the installer somehow was corrupted as one o
f the number was actually a letter. I changed it back to the original code  
for that system, powered down, and traded the chip back to the original tha
t I had just taken out. And of course, everything worked just fine after th
at.

So, the installer code is not on the removable chip, but somewhere on the b
oard. That is why over the years, I have retrieved every installer code of  
every company that had previously monitored those systems. We have a very l
arge list of competitor installer codes. I actually get a thrill when I go  
for a takeover and the previous company is unknown to me. I do not despair,
 I just smile and get a chip off of a new board and install it on the exist
ing system. That new competitor code is recorded and the whole thing might  
take 10 minutes. Ahh! Such a good feeling!

There are various other ways for other brands, some more time consuming, bu
t always so rewarding. So, your line-by-line denunciations do not make a fa
ct false, unless I thoroughly misinterpreted your comments.

You are aware that your name is plastered all over the internet on Monitron
ics programming, don't you? That does make you appear to be a Monitronics g
uy from way back at least to the early 2000s. You should make your readers  
aware of that fact though.

Well, I do hope that you have a good and safe day, sincerely. I am not tryi
ng to marginalize you, it is just that I will not stand for incorrect infor
mation. I would rather help folks as that is better. So now, anyone who rea
ds this will know how to get into any Honeywell panel at takeover. We only  
lock them out while we are monitoring a system. We will even tell you the c
ode of that system over the phone if we have to, since every one of our sys
tems has a unique installer code anyway.  

Hogan

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On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 12:12:24 PM UTC-5, Hogan wrote:
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ard, means that only the central station telco is set in stone, go ahead an
d keep on believing that.

I should keep on believing it I was the one who set the defaults back in 20
02, so far you've been ignorant on everything. BTW it's the same reason why
 ADT and Protection One had their own version of stock boards
  
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he board into non-changeable parameters.

Such as?


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t be trusted to input the correct telco number. I mean, they did send all t
he zones to the central station anyway at the install, didn't they? If that
 company was so concerned with 'standardization', they would have sent a si
gnal from each zone to the central station. Then, would they not have seen  
that oops, no signals came in so I must have put in the wrong telco or acco
unt number maybe???

You've never made a mistake programming the receiver or account number? I'v
e done it, techs are human, they also liked not enabling downloading

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s the central station number.

I doubt you've ever seen it from my side, then you'd know

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he right telco number?  

When you deal with hundreds of telco numbers it's easy to do although most  
of the issue was incorrectly programming the account number

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en in denial for quite a while. It's okay if you are not ready, at least ju
st think about it some. Perhaps in time you will see that it does not ring  
true at all to everyone who has never been associated with Monitronics as l
ong as you have.

I think it's time for you to face the fact you have no idea what you are ta
lking about, everything you've said about Monitronics has been flat out wro
ng so far, it's either been guesses or opinion and not facts

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 right telco since they had very many different numbers. Gee wiz, if I coul
d not trust a technician to use the right telco, I would not trust that tec
h to do anything right at all!!! He would be fired, and then, I guess he co
uld go to work for Monitronics- and I would even give him a recommendation!

I can't speak for ADT however I know many who work there and they have many
 of the same issues we had, I'm impressed you've never made any mistakes pr
ogramming a panel
  
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rmation. You see, years ago I discovered quite by accident about replacing  
the chip in a Honeywell panel. A customer whom we had for years, needed a s
ervice call and I had to get into the programming. The particular installer
 code for his system somehow did not work. I was very puzzled as normal pro
cedure before exiting programming for us is to do a final check on #88, as  
well as #20 to make sure. This system did not react, I was locked out. For  
some reason that I do not remember, I somehow decided to just switch the ch
ip instead of changing out the board. I took a new board and carefully remo
ved the chip, and then inserted it into the locked board. Well, I was then  
able to easily get into power-up, then * and #, and voila, I was into progr
amming. So, I #20 and found that the installer somehow was corrupted as one
 of the number was actually a letter. I changed it back to the original cod
e for that system, powered down, and traded the chip back to the original t
hat I had just taken out. And of course, everything worked just fine after  
that.

How am I wrong? I stated that replacing the processor (that big square chip
) makes it into a standard panel, you can do the same thing with the ADT Sa
fehome 3000 which is a Vista-20P

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 board. That is why over the years, I have retrieved every installer code o
f every company that had previously monitored those systems. We have a very
 large list of competitor installer codes. I actually get a thrill when I g
o for a takeover and the previous company is unknown to me. I do not despai
r, I just smile and get a chip off of a new board and install it on the exi
sting system. That new competitor code is recorded and the whole thing migh
t take 10 minutes. Ahh! Such a good feeling!

I guarantee my list of Installer codes is bigger than yours it, and you hav
e confirmed how it's not about locking in a customer when all you have to d
o is replace a chip currently available as a standard part from ADI


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onics programming, don't you? That does make you appear to be a Monitronics
 guy from way back at least to the early 2000s. You should make your reader
s aware of that fact though.

I've never hidden that fact

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ying to marginalize you, it is just that I will not stand for incorrect inf
ormation. I would rather help folks as that is better. So now, anyone who r
eads this will know how to get into any Honeywell panel at takeover. We onl
y lock them out while we are monitoring a system. We will even tell you the
 code of that system over the phone if we have to, since every one of our s
ystems has a unique installer code anyway.  

For someone who will not stand for incorrect information you sure do put a  
lot of it out about Monitronics
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