Napco panel master code question

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First, thanks to everyone who has helped me with questions regarding my Nap
co alarm system.

I have the quickloader software and am able to upload and download with no  
issues.

I have a P3200 panel and I see a master Security code, download security co
de, dealer keypad program code on it.

My parents have a Gemini 816 panel and I only see a download security code  
box no Master.

If we ever needed something done to the 816 panel that I could not do and t
he installer needed the code they could change it and lock us out since the
re is no master security code? Am I correct? Why is there no Master securit
y code on the 816 or is there a setting I need to do to see that appear on  
the quickloader?

Just trying to be careful so we don't get locked out in the future if someo
ne works on the panel?

Thanks in advance.

Re: Napco panel master code question
On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:58:00 AM UTC-4, szig...@gmail.com wrote:
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 the installer needed the code they could change it and lock us out since t
here is no master security code? Am I correct? Why is there no Master secur
ity code on the 816 or is there a setting I need to do to see that appear o
n the quickloader?
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I'd guess that it was just the manufacturers choice not to provide as much  
security on a less expensive panel.  

Also, you have to know that the manufacturer (Napco) is not typically consi
dered a DIY friendly company.

Re: Napco panel master code question
"Jim Davis"  wrote in message  

On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 9:58:00 AM UTC-4, szig...@gmail.com wrote:
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I'd guess that it was just the manufacturers choice not to provide as much  
security on a less expensive panel.

Also, you have to know that the manufacturer (Napco) is not typically  
considered a DIY friendly company.

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The 816 is basically a 1632 lite.  The 1632 was my main middle of the road  
panel for ages.  When I switched over to Napco I probably installed more of  
them than any other panel, although I did have a fair number of P800/801  
panels for "cheap" customers.  I actually liked that it had one code, and  
that it wasn't on the eeprom ID sticker.  The X255 was my industrial panel  
almost as soon as it came out.  I never really cared for the 3200, but the  
9600 was just fine.  Maybe it was differences in date ranges and program  
stability.

FYI:  The hack I found for the P1632 code didn't work on the later panels.  


Re: Napco panel master code question
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The "go to" panel now is the 1664 with the K1 keypads. Looks pretty cool wi
th the blue LED backlight.  

If you're interested in what's coming up next go to isecurealarms dot com.  
This should be interesting to see what they've concocted. From the looks of
 it it looks like they may have squeezed 10 pounds of  Starlink cellular an
d a 1664 into a 5 pound plastic casing. If they did, I don't think it will  
fly. Other mfg's are putting whole systems into to a small hub box. This lo
oks like it's huge in comparison.  

Also, they're still using the same old wireless motion detectors and glass  
break detectors from 20 years ago. Wireless smoke detector and 1664 are the
 only new things they've come out with besides the Starlink radios in the l
ast 5 years. I'm not sure, but I think I read that the wireless door/window
 transmitters for this new system aren't backward compatible with the older
 units.

Re: Napco panel master code question
On Thursday, May 23, 2019 at 5:45:06 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
  
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. This should be interesting to see what they've concocted. From the looks  
of it it looks like they may have squeezed 10 pounds of  Starlink cellular  
and a 1664 into a 5 pound plastic casing. If they did, I don't think it wil
l fly. Other mfg's are putting whole systems into to a small hub box. This  
looks like it's huge in comparison.  

Other manufacturers hubs are designed to sit on a counter, this looks like  
it would replace the main panel in a closet, I don't see size as an issue h
ere

On the other hand if you remember debating about circuit board design a few
 months ago this design COULD be much smaller if Napco had followed DSC, Ho
neywell and Interlogix in integrating components into a smaller board. I ca
n't see the innards of that box so who knows
  
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s break detectors from 20 years ago. Wireless smoke detector and 1664 are t
he only new things they've come out with besides the Starlink radios in the
 last 5 years. I'm not sure, but I think I read that the wireless door/wind
ow transmitters for this new system aren't backward compatible with the old
er units.

It does state NOTE: GEMINI TRANSMITTERS ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY ISECURE SYSTEM
S

So now they have a new line of sensors for just one panel? Thats kind of si
lly unless whatever else they are developing supports them

If the sensor design is good this isn't an issue, Interlogix sensors (at le
ast the ones they still make) are from 93/94, same with DSC 433 MHz stuff a
nd Honeywell 345 mhz

Even Qolsys is using sensors based on Interlogix....from 93/94

The industry is slowly moving to more advanced encrypted sensors but the va
st majority is still old tech

Re: Napco panel master code question
On Monday, May 13, 2019 at 8:58:00 AM UTC-5, szig...@gmail.com wrote:
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apco alarm system.
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o issues.
code, dealer keypad program code on it.
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e box no Master.
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 the installer needed the code they could change it and lock us out since t
here is no master security code? Am I correct? Why is there no Master secur
ity code on the 816 or is there a setting I need to do to see that appear o
n the quickloader?
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eone works on the panel?
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This is common with lower end panels, Napco does the same thing with the GE
M-P400/800

You always risk getting locked out if someone else works on the panel

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