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Greetings Group,

How many of you have had customers want you to sign a N.D.A.  
(non-disclosure agreement)?

How did you deal with it or them?

After 42 years in the business I had one ask me yesterday for a N.D.A...

I told them this morning I'd never be back..

If they didn't trust me, no amount of paper would protect them...

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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*


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On 5/15/2018 9:49 AM, RTS wrote:
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Rocky,

For me ZERO on the NDA.
However, I have had one ask me to sign a HIPPA Contractor Agreement.
Has to do with a medical facility that I would not disclose any patient
information that I might see while I was on sight doing a service call.
It was about 7 pages long and in part said that they or their authorized  
services would have the right to search my place of business to see if I  
had any information or paperwork in my possession relating to any of  
their patients, etc. etc.  No way was I going to sign it.

What I did do was to melt it down to 3 pages of what was important
and presented to the Executive Director who then sent it to their
attorney and then returned it signed, exactly as I had typed.

I had another customer that was already under my contract, after new  
management wanted me to sign their agreement, bla bla bal.  It was
so bad, they wanted me to show a much higher liability insurance than I  
had, plus increase the insurance on my service van and a bunch more  
crap.  I continued monitoring for another 5 months to finish the term.  
I guess they found someone else stupid enough to sign the thing.

You have the absolute right to be comfortable, period.

As I have read elsewhere on a individuals tag line.

"I have never lost a dollar, on a job I did not get."

Makes sense to me.

WOW!!  42 years.  You must be older than dirt!!!

Later,

Les




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then upgraded to the 1004
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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*



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On 5/15/2018 6:49 AM, RTS wrote:
 > Greetings Group,
 >
 > How many of you have had customers want you to sign a N.D.A.  
(non-disclosure agreement)?
 >
 > How did you deal with it or them?
 >
 > After 42 years in the business I had one ask me yesterday for a N.D.A...
 >
 > I told them this morning I'd never be back..
 >
 > If they didn't trust me, no amount of paper would protect them...
 >


I had one client in the 23 years I was a contractor ask for an NDA.  
They were developing an improved production line in a competitive  
industry.  I added a limited five year time period, and a morals clause  
that invalidated the agreement, and told them if every manager present  
didn't sign and initial the penned in morals clause I was walking out.  
It was short and fairly reasonable.  I probably did 400K-500K in  
business for or directly because of that customer after that.

As a machinist I get people asking for NDAs and IP agreements all the  
time.  Most are so restrictive they would theoretically prevent me from  
working for anybody but them.  I tell them to go pound sand.  I also say  
any IP and or NDA combined longer than 2 pages in large font will be  
discarded unread.

The additional liability agreements that started appearing from  
everybody from about the aughts were pretty onerous.  One actually  
claimed the right to be able to tell me to fire people in my employ.  I  
never signed a single one, and I notified every single one that I would  
understand if they got somebody else, but if they failed to honor the  
terms of their contract they would be liable for all losses and damages.  
  Amazingly I kept all the good customers and lost all the ones who were  
a huge pain in the ass.  50/50 split right down the middle.  It improved  
my profitability to lose the problem customers.


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On 5/15/2018 2:49 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Hey Bob, I thought you were in the middle of welding a bandsaw blade??
When do have time to stop in here??  LOL  Welcome back anytime.

Les


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I haven't had time to silver braze that blade yet.  Its on my to-do list  
for today though.

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On 5/15/2018 4:15 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
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"Back in the day"    I found brazing a bandsaw blade tedious.
Always wanted to build the wheel radius in the ends before actually
brazing.  Then we got a bandsaw with a built-in welder. Taaa!!! Daaa!!!




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On 5/15/2018 4:15 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
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"Back in the day" I found brazing a bandsaw blade tedious.
Always wanted to build the wheel radius in the ends before actually
brazing.  Then we got a bandsaw with a built-in welder. Taaa!!! Daaa!!!

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To be honest that's not really even on my wish list.  I've got a 4x6 and a  
7x12 horizontal.  One or the other sees daily use.  Sometimes all day long.  
When I looked up coil stock for the blades I want to use it costs as much  
(or more) than welded blades.  The only way it would marginally be  
beneficial is if I counted inflation, but then the IRS would tax me on its  
asset's capital value anyway.  The only reason I decided to braze this one  
was because I ordered it an inch too long and my saw won't take up that much  
slack.  Now what I would like is a big vertical with a deep throat, but I  
don't need one.  A hydraulic shear would be more useful.



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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*


On 5/15/2018 1:49 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
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On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 2:10:57 PM UTC-4, RTS wrote:

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I think I've got you all beat.

First panel I installed was an Ademco 100 in a (I think) 203 metal box usin
g Bright Star #6 1 1/2 volt batteries. There was a key switch and meter too
, but I forgot their part numbers. bell and box.  No time delay. Used a doo
r strike.

I did a few service calls on some McCulloch panels and actually built a woo
den dowel screen.

Jeeeeezze I feel old......

Some of my friends say that my first alarm system was a rock over a cave do
or tied to a vine.  

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What was the number of that Ademco alarm that used a double wall box  
with meter and key?


holding the cases together with "cherry" switches held open by the long  
screws..

(So if you drilled the box ans shorted the two walls together the alarm  
would go off, or if you backed out the screws the alarm would go off..)

Heavy sucka to if I remember right..


*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.

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On 5/15/2018 9:29 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 11:19:22 PM UTC-4, RTS wrote:
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Was that the "AB" bell box ??  

I don't remember a meter though.

If you want to see some of the old stuff, Google Wayne Alarm in Lynn Ma.  
They have an alarm history museum.

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On 5/16/2018 12:31 PM, Jim Davis wrote:

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Yup!!
A number of years ago I had removed a old panel from a building
and contacted Wayne Alarms about it.  I boxed it up and they paid
for the shipping.  At this time I can't remember anything more
about it, other than it was old.

I can safely say that it was before I had a camera welded to my hip.

Les

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was now..


own battery and relay..




*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.

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On 5/16/2018 11:31 AM, Jim Davis wrote:
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On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 9:49:17 AM UTC-4, RTS wrote:
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Never had anyone ask me for one.  

I never did any really big companies so that could be the reason.

Anyway, I guess it would depend upon the conditions if I would sign one or not.

Otherwise they'd have to settle for a "Pinky swear" and "cross my heart and hope to die" not to tell anyone.  

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On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 9:49:17 AM UTC-4, RTS wrote:
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On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 9:49:17 AM UTC-4, RTS wrote:
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Have several customers I have them signed due to them being Government contractors its required of everyone  by the government not a big deal .
  

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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*

On 5/22/2018 6:33 PM, NickMark wrote:
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On 5/22/2018 4:33 PM, NickMark wrote:
 > On Tuesday, May 15, 2018 at 9:49:17 AM UTC-4, RTS wrote:
 >> Greetings Group,
 >>
 >> How many of you have had customers want you to sign a N.D.A.
 >> (non-disclosure agreement)?
 >>
 >> How did you deal with it or them?
 >>
 >> After 42 years in the business I had one ask me yesterday for a N.D.A...
 >>
 >> I told them this morning I'd never be back..
 >>
 >> If they didn't trust me, no amount of paper would protect them...
 >>
 >> --
 >>
 >> *Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*
 >
 > Have several customers I have them signed due to them being  
Government contractors its required of everyone  by the government not a  
big deal .
 >

I worked for or provided equipment to a few contractors on military  
installations.  I worked directly for the US Army on base, and for the  
DOJ both through GSA and directly for some agencies.  None of them ever  
asked me to sign an NDA.  One job I did was in a secure building.  
Others were in never open to the public areas of ports and misc other  
stuff.  Now I admit every job I got was because somebody I knew  
personally asked me to bid it, but I never once had a government agency  
or a government contractor ask me for an NDA.  I even got paid to write  
the bid spec for a bunch of systems in a new prison. No NDA.  I quit  
doing government contracting about ten years ago. I'd have to look to be  
sure.

Anyway, its interesting how experiences differ.

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Thanks for the reply, Bob

personally I turned down all federal government work requests, mostly  
because of the lengthy payment return..

(never did like waiting 6-9 months to get paid) and some because of the  
stupid designs..


*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.

*

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