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Just curious of what other installers think of the above monitoring/dealers
hip company that sells systems to consumers who are not told that the mainb
oard of the security system that they have purchased, cannot be taken over  
by another company for monitoring. And this is done in collusion and collab
oration of companies such as Honeywell.

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On 04/27/2017 01:44 PM, ED wrote:
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Excellent!  Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

John R. Sowden
American Sentry Systems, Inc.
UL Central Station Alarm Service Company
Service the San Francisco Bay Area Since 1967


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On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 4:44:43 PM UTC-4, ED wrote:
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rship company that sells systems to consumers who are not told that the mai
nboard of the security system that they have purchased, cannot be taken ove
r by another company for monitoring. And this is done in collusion and coll
aboration of companies such as Honeywell.

Nowdays ..... any alarm system that uses 4/2 format or CID to a phone line  
can be taken over.

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 5:29:54 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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lership company that sells systems to consumers who are not told that the m
ainboard of the security system that they have purchased, cannot be taken o
ver by another company for monitoring. And this is done in collusion and co
llaboration of companies such as Honeywell.
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e can be taken over.

Only an idiot still uses 4/2 format

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On 4/29/2017 2:12 AM, mleuck wrote:
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Not to put to fine a point on the "name" calling,

Not every place in America or the world has the quality of phone service  
that will allow acceptable CID to function.
A.T.T. is one of the biggest offenders in our region for this failing..
(floating impedance) (floating voltage) (cross voltage in multi pairs)

Now if you know of a way to CID using pulse voltage I'd be happy to give  
it a try..

RTS

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On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:06:00 AM UTC-5, RTS wrote:
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ealership company that sells systems to consumers who are not told that the
 mainboard of the security system that they have purchased, cannot be taken
 over by another company for monitoring. And this is done in collusion and  
collaboration of companies such as Honeywell.
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line can be taken over.
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In those cases you'd ditch the phone line and install a cell

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On 4/29/2017 9:36 AM, mleuck wrote:
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excellent ideal  but  again   A.T.T.  service is iffy at best
(even with directional antenna)  and no other carrier service is  
available in the region...

I will say that 2G service did work till they changed over to 3-4G
and service then stopped as the carriers moved to a different location  
and signal strength dropped below transceivers ability to detect.

OOh  in case your think of cable,  doesn't work either..  only video  
available.

now satellite  internet is possibility  but for alarm signals  it's a  
little out of most customers price range...

RTS

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 11:40:59 AM UTC-5, RTS wrote:
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/dealership company that sells systems to consumers who are not told that t
he mainboard of the security system that they have purchased, cannot be tak
en over by another company for monitoring. And this is done in collusion an
d collaboration of companies such as Honeywell.
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e line can be taken over.
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ve

Different locations? umm yea ok

I would never recommend panel communication over VoIP, cable or satellite,  
these days there is no reason not to use cell, IP, WiFi or whatever...phone
s are dead they just haven't started smelling yet

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 3:12:45 AM UTC-4, mleuck wrote:

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ine can be taken over.
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Well Mark, I can see that time hasn't changed you. You're still a fucking a
sshole.


By the way  ...... To those not familiar with this mental retard .....
    
the above opinion is coming from a mentally shriveled jerk who resides in t
he bowels of a monitoring company and only sees this trade through a tiny w
indow to the world.  He installed a few alarm systems years and years ago,  
didn't do so well at that and since has been captured yet enraptured by is  
own incompetenc to judging what others should do based on his limited knowl
edge of the trade.

ie. he's a little man with a little mind and actually embodies the word ..  
Idiot.

Don't mind him, he will go away and will only pop up occasionally when he c
an say something disparaging about someone or something.  

  


Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Sunday, April 30, 2017 at 5:17:00 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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 line can be taken over.
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 asshole.

Gotta give people like you something to whine about
  
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 the bowels of a monitoring company and only sees this trade through a tiny
 window to the world.  He installed a few alarm systems years and years ago
, didn't do so well at that and since has been captured yet enraptured by i
s own incompetenc to judging what others should do based on his limited kno
wledge of the trade.

Limited knowledge? Even most of the manufacturers have ditched 4/2, it's an
 obsolete format. The problem is old guys like you haven't figured that out
 yet and I doubt ever will

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. Idiot.
 can say something disparaging about someone or something.

I'm here to please

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 2:21:39 AM UTC-4, mleuck wrote:
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ne line can be taken over.
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ng asshole.
in the bowels of a monitoring company and only sees this trade through a ti
ny window to the world.  He installed a few alarm systems years and years a
go, didn't do so well at that and since has been captured yet enraptured by
 is own incompetenc to judging what others should do based on his limited k
nowledge of the trade.
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an obsolete format. The problem is old guys like you haven't figured that o
ut yet and I doubt ever will

4/2 format is a tool you stupid fuck! Nobody is saying it's something to be
 promoted or used instead of newer technology ....... it's just an alternat
e tool to use if necessary. Same with pots lines. Some installers will use  
them because they have no other choice ... some will use them till they can
't be used anymore and then they'll go to the next best thing. How many ins
tallers are using VoIP, thinking it's just a reliable as Pots lines used to
 be? It's just the way things go in this and in any trade.  

I've been using cellular for about 2 years now. BUT there are still some ol
d panels out there that only use 4/2 format that are still working and the  
customers don't want to or can't afford to upgrade their systems. Sure, I c
an switch them to cellular at no or little expense, but the format is going
 to remain 4/2 if the expense it to great.

With your limited experience, and because you get paid whether you do a goo
d job or not,  I'm sure you would tell those people that they had to upgrad
e or your would drop them as a customer ..... Right? We'll ..... you see id
iot, it just don't work that way. Installers plight is to get customers, an
d keep them happy in order to make a living.  These are the clients that ha
ve been good customers for years and years, who pay regularly and very seld
om have a problem. Yeah .... I know. But because it's so inconvenient for t
he central station to receive 4/2 format, I should just tell them to fuck o
ff.  

You don't know what competition is all about. You sit on your fat ass in a  
fucking dungeon and make judgement on the installation trade with your limi
ted experience. You can't appreciate what's happening outside in the world  
when you can only use your limited field experience and your only source of
 input is what you see from a central station. You only see the trade throu
gh I tiny window and think that you think that that's all there is and you  
think that qualifies you to be able to tell people who work with the public
 every day, what they should and shouldn't do. ......  

You only know what provides good results for a central station with out any
 regard for what provides necessary results for installers. Realize that yo
u're not important enough to pay attention to. It's your job to make the be
st of what comes into your central. You don't have to like what you get but
 .... toughen up there kiddo. The world doesn't owe you or your central any
thing except your monthly fee. Just do your job and shut up. You're opinion
 is acceptable but demeaning people just because they do something that inc
onveniences you is not acceptable.  

And ... Oh yes, Cellular is the best that this industry can do until the $5
0.00 scramblers become commonly available. Then what?  

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 .. Idiot.
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he can say something disparaging about someone or something.
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I know you are Mark. I've heard that all the gay guys say that.:-O<--

  


Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 10:55:08 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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hone line can be taken over.
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king asshole.
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s in the bowels of a monitoring company and only sees this trade through a  
tiny window to the world.  He installed a few alarm systems years and years
 ago, didn't do so well at that and since has been captured yet enraptured  
by is own incompetenc to judging what others should do based on his limited
 knowledge of the trade.
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s an obsolete format. The problem is old guys like you haven't figured that
 out yet and I doubt ever will
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be promoted or used instead of newer technology ....... it's just an altern
ate tool to use if necessary. Same with pots lines. Some installers will us
e them because they have no other choice ... some will use them till they c
an't be used anymore and then they'll go to the next best thing. How many i
nstallers are using VoIP, thinking it's just a reliable as Pots lines used  
to be? It's just the way things go in this and in any trade.  

No it's an out of date format no longer promoted by most manufacturers many
 no longer even including it, ITI/GE/Interlogix quit including it back in t
he late 90's, 2GIG around 8 years ago and Qolsys around 5 years. DSC dumped
 it when they released the Neo

It's only use is to pacify old timers who a. don't know any better and b. d
on't want to know any better
  
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old panels out there that only use 4/2 format that are still working and th
e customers don't want to or can't afford to upgrade their systems. Sure, I
 can switch them to cellular at no or little expense, but the format is goi
ng to remain 4/2 if the expense it to great.

2 years now? wow you sure are up to date

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ood job or not,  I'm sure you would tell those people that they had to upgr
ade or your would drop them as a customer ..... Right? We'll ..... you see  
idiot, it just don't work that way. Installers plight is to get customers,  
and keep them happy in order to make a living.  These are the clients that  
have been good customers for years and years, who pay regularly and very se
ldom have a problem. Yeah .... I know. But because it's so inconvenient for
 the central station to receive 4/2 format, I should just tell them to fuck
 off.  

Or upgrade their panel to something more recent but that stuff is hard isn'
t it?

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a fucking dungeon and make judgement on the installation trade with your li
mited experience. You can't appreciate what's happening outside in the worl
d when you can only use your limited field experience and your only source  
of input is what you see from a central station. You only see the trade thr
ough I tiny window and think that you think that that's all there is and yo
u think that qualifies you to be able to tell people who work with the publ
ic every day, what they should and shouldn't do. ......  

You never have known what my experience is

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ny regard for what provides necessary results for installers. Realize that  
you're not important enough to pay attention to. It's your job to make the  
best of what comes into your central.

Why yes it is my job to make the best of what comes into the central statio
n, why would it not be anyone's goal? Try working in one someday you'll und
erstand


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$50.00 scramblers become commonly available. Then what?  

Yes a burglar who isn't smart enough to do anything other than kick in the  
front door is going to buy an illegal jammer and have some fun

Good luck getting one of those $50.00 units to work, I've seen what they do
 and its very unlikely they will do anything other than screw with the burg
lar's cell phone  
  
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Ahh here comes the gay slurs, that's so Bass of you


Re: MONA T. RONICS
On 5/2/2017 10:55 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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Jim  no need to get all worked up..
The "ole boy"  isn't worth the effort...
By his own words  he isn't concerned with the end user,
just that monthly from the service company..

The service company is concerned with the end user..
Those or our friends and neighbors.

Such a thing doesn't exist for the "mleuck's" out there..

So, my advice or two cents worth,  forget him, put him on your block  
list, (I did)..

Same as with Robert from years gone by...

Life's to short to get all worked up by a troll..

RTS


Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 10:00:47 AM UTC-4, RTS wrote:
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Well ya see .... typing vitriolic and acrimoniously and actually "feeling"  
that way are two separate things. He doesn't actually "bother" me. But nast
y people just have to be put down.  

I'm really a very nice guy. I get along with most people. Bass was an insti
gator and intentionally brought disruption to this and a number of other gr
oups he participated in, and so does this other asshole. Well if he can do  
it, I can do it better. Disruption is disruption. If it's practiced by one  
person in a group, what difference does it make who else does it?  

He is every bit as dysfunctional as Bass was and deserves every bad thing t
hat can happen to him.  

Who knows? Perhaps fate will be kind again and allow him to die also.  

That's a comforting thought.  

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 12:28:15 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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" that way are two separate things. He doesn't actually "bother" me. But na
sty people just have to be put down.  
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tigator and intentionally brought disruption to this and a number of other  
groups he participated in, and so does this other asshole. Well if he can d
o it, I can do it better. Disruption is disruption. If it's practiced by on
e person in a group, what difference does it make who else does it?  
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 that can happen to him.  
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Funny you should mention that I've had this persistent cough.....

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Wednesday, May 3, 2017 at 9:00:47 AM UTC-5, RTS wrote:

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I don't recall saying I wasn't concerned with the end user, I just said I was concerned with what went on the central station, every central station is including the one Jim used, I've yet to find any central station that allowed anyone to put anything on

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Duh it's part of their job

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You make baseless accusations concerning 2 companys about something you know nothing about then just as quickly run away, so be it

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:44:43 PM UTC-5, ED wrote:
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rship company that sells systems to consumers who are not told that the mai
nboard of the security system that they have purchased, cannot be taken ove
r by another company for monitoring. And this is done in collusion and coll
aboration of companies such as Honeywell.

Those systems can be taken over just like any other system

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QUOTE: Nowdays ..... any alarm system that uses 4/2 format or CID to a phon
e line can be taken over.  

QUOTE: Those systems can be taken over just like any other system

Yes, since the advent of the many cellular units now available, the panel t
elco and account number are negated and irrelevant. But, there are still ma
ny systems only on telco and the customer is not wanting to pay the extra c
harge for cellular... unless the installing company wants to absorb the cos
t.

The point is not what is available, but the gall of 'Mona' and her 'Honey'  
colluding together to 'trap' unknowing customers to locked systems. For the
 programming purposely shows "Locked" in the telco numbers. A security syst
em mainboard is more or less a complicated communication device with many i
nputs and programming parameters as to when and how it will communicate. As
 such, it is technically subject to the FCC-the Federal Communication Commi
ssion.

Additionally, because of the collusion, in that they purposefully attempt t
o prevent other companies from using their system boards, it has run afoul  
of the other small department in the US called the FTC-the Federal Trade Co
mmission, which was instituted purposefully to prevent anyone from such unf
air trade practices.

Further, Mona's 'Honey', directly financially benefits by the unlocked repl
acement boards that it sells to companies that yet only know this as a solu
tion. Until only quite recently, there has not been a plethora of available
 devices available to overcome the locked boards.





Re: MONA T. RONICS
On 4/29/2017 12:42 PM, ED wrote:
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had same problem years ago when ADT was using Moose Z900 panels with  
their "special" chip..  which altered the programming  steps..
Bro. Wade was kind enough to supply us with the new steps and we were  
able to work around their "special chip"..

Must be that "mona t. ronics" isn't using Honeywell Vista.
you can access that thing from so many different ways it's a joke as a  
"Security" panel..

RTS

Re: MONA T. RONICS
On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 1:05:47 PM UTC-5, RTS wrote:
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phone line can be taken over.
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el telco and account number are negated and irrelevant. But, there are stil
l many systems only on telco and the customer is not wanting to pay the ext
ra charge for cellular... unless the installing company wants to absorb the
 cost.
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ey' colluding together to 'trap' unknowing customers to locked systems. For
 the programming purposely shows "Locked" in the telco numbers. A security  
system mainboard is more or less a complicated communication device with ma
ny inputs and programming parameters as to when and how it will communicate
. As such, it is technically subject to the FCC-the Federal Communication C
ommission.
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pt to prevent other companies from using their system boards, it has run af
oul of the other small department in the US called the FTC-the Federal Trad
e Commission, which was instituted purposefully to prevent anyone from such
 unfair trade practices.
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replacement boards that it sells to companies that yet only know this as a  
solution. Until only quite recently, there has not been a plethora of avail
able devices available to overcome the locked boards.
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If I recall that Z900 variant (which I changed out dozens over the years) s
ent a version of SIA most likely to prevent problems with installers not pr
ogramming 4/2 format the stock panel sent.  

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It's apparently such a joke you feel the need to complain about it, I assur
e you "mona t. ronics" still uses plenty of "Honey" stuff

Think what you wish about either company but all current manufacturers can  
do and have done the same locking out phone and account numbers.

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