How Does the New Health Care Reform Bill Affect Your Business ???

I work with laws everyday.. if you put you mind to it and have a minimum of reading skill you can understand those text easily..

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It's always been a pyramid scheme, not enough people anymore to continue funding it and it funds far more per person than initially planned

No they won't because for the last 20-30 years anyone who thinks about touching SS gets shot down by old people who vote and organizations like the AARP along with most of the Democratic party so instead they keep putting patches to the original pig, same thing will happen if they pass healthcare "reform"

Much like the supposed 500 billion they claim will be cut from Medicare, not going to happen

Hardly, if it was anything like Civil Rights it was Republicans who got them through

No he tried privatizing it, and your party stalled it leaving it still going broke in a few years

Yea just like in Virginia and New Jersey last week......oh wait

I always wondered why the tree-huggers never go after junk mailers, they'd save some serious trees. When I worked for UPS we would also load and deliver standard mail, turns out the Post Office couldn't handle the load during the holidays

And what do you believe?

So which of those programs do you wish to get rid of?

Forgot one... Amtrak. You may pick from that one too.

I don't think privatizing is the best way to go with a 'safety net.' We could end up needing a safety net for the safety net.

IMHO, the way to fix it would be to forbid any use of the funds for anything other than benefit payments, increase the cap on contributions (heh - 'contributions' my ass, it's a tax) and means test benefits.

Instead, all we hear about is raising the qualifying age. What a friggin load of crap that is...

Nah - they are going to continue down the same old path of screwing the middle class and making laws that benefit their rich cronies.

The only thing that changes is the cronies...

Amtrak lost half a billion so far this year

No the only real fix is to eliminate the program, the programs are unsustainable

But if you are going to do something why not raise the qualifying age? The average lifespan when Social Security began was between 45 and 50, it's now almost 70, if you don't raise the qualifying age you are doing nothing more than putting the program into debt even faster

Which is why I condone raising the contribution cap and means testing the benefits.

I can't imagine crawling around in attics and crawl spaces when I'm 70.

Social security is here to stay. Like it or not.

Which is a lesson we should take to heart in regards to the impending government health care.

Skip all the cross references and concentrate on the text. There's a lot to read but it's mostly plain English.

Some dolt said its only been online a few days. That's not true. Various portions have been in the news and available online all during the debate.

And those drafts aren't the bill that was just passed by the House or the other bill that is soon to die in the Senate

But since you've read it you could explain fines for not having Insurance that is in the current bill

That's not really true. That's just what some Repugnant on the Hill said to Faux news. The bill is more than 99% paragraph text. Following are typical examples:

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SEC. 347. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS. Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

SEC. 211. PROHIBITING PREEXISTING CONDITION EXCLUSIONS. A qualified health benefits plan may not impose any preexisting condition exclusion (as defined in section 2701(b)(1)(A) of the Public Health Service Act) or otherwise impose any limit or condition on the coverage under the plan with respect to an individual or dependent based on any of the following: health status, medical condition, claims experience, receipt of health care, medical history, genetic information, evidence of insurability, disability, or source of injury (including conditions arising out of acts of domestic violence) or any similar factors.

Here is Leuck's favorite part:

Subtitle B - Public Health Insurance Option

SEC. 321. ESTABLISHMENT AND ADMINISTRATION OF A PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION AS AN EXCHANGE-QUALIFIED HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.

(a) ESTABLISHMENT.?For years beginning with Y1, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (in this subtitle referred to as the ??Secretary??) shall provide for the offering of an Exchange-participating health benefits plan (in this division referred to as the ??public health insurance option??) that ensures choice, competition, and stability of affordable, high quality coverage throughout the United States in accordance with this subtitle. In designing the option, the Secretary?s primary responsibility is to create a low-cost plan without compromising quality or access to care.

(b) OFFERING AS AN EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN. - (1) EXCLUSIVE TO THE EXCHANGE.?The public health insurance option shall only be made available through the Health Insurance Exchange.

(2) ENSURING A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.?Consistent with this subtitle, the public health insurance option shall comply with requirements that are applicable under this title to an Exchange-participating health benefits plan, including requirements related to benefits, benefit levels, provider networks, notices, consumer protections, and cost-sharing.

(3) PROVISION OF BENEFIT LEVELS.?The public health insurance option -

(A) shall offer basic, enhanced, and premium plans; and

(B) may offer premium-plus plans.

(c) ADMINISTRATIVE CONTRACTING.?The Secretary may enter into contracts for the purpose of performing administrative functions (including functions described in subsection (a)(4) of section 1874A of the Social Security Act) with respect to the public health insurance option in the same manner as the Secretary may enter into contracts under subsection (a)(1) of such section. The Secretary has the same authority with respect to the public health insurance option as the Secretary has under subsections (a)(1) and (b) of section 1874A of the Social Security Act with respect to title XVIII of such Act. Contracts under this subsection shall not involve the transfer of insurance risk to such entity.

(d) OMBUDSMAN.?The Secretary shall establish an office of the ombudsman for the public health insurance option which shall have duties with respect to the public health insurance option similar to the duties of the Medicare Beneficiary Ombudsman under section 1808(c)(2) of the Social Security Act.

(e) DATA COLLECTION.?The Secretary shall collect such data as may be required to establish premiums and payment rates for the public health insurance option and for other purposes under this subtitle, including to improve quality and to reduce racial, ethnic, and other disparities in health and health care. Nothing in this subtitle may be construed as authorizing the Secretary (or any employee or contractor) to create or maintain lists of non medical personal property.

(f) TREATMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH INSURANCE OPTION. - With respect to the public health insurance option, the Secretary shall be treated as a QHBP offering entity offering an Exchange-participating health benefits plan.

(g) ACCESS TO FEDERAL COURTS. - The provisions of Medicare (and related provisions of title II of the Social Security Act) relating to access of Medicare beneficiaries to Federal courts for the enforcement of rights under Medicare, including with respect to amounts in controversy, shall apply to the public health insurance option and individuals enrolled under such option under this title in the same manner as such provisions apply to Medicare and Medicare beneficiaries.

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The whole bill is readable online and most of it has been available in various outlets all during the process. You sometimes needed to dig a bit to get at the stuff that wasn't settled, but every amendment, Democratic or Repugnant, is a matter of public record. Don't believe it when some Repugnant Senator tells Faux Noise (and their whole "panel" heartily agrees) that something is being done behind closed doors or that Repugnants have not had an opportunity to participate in the design of the bill. These guys lie almost as much as Leuck. It's disgusting.

There's nothing complicated about the text of the healthcare reform bill. It's mostly plain English. There are, as with every bill, references to existing statutes which the present bill will modify. There are also cross-references to other parts of the current bill. But those make up only a tiny portion of the text and they do *not*, as some would have you believe, secretly change the overall intent or affect of the text.

The one amendment that has had a "surprise" affect on many of the people who voted for the bill is the Hyde Amendment. The proposed affect was to prohibit using taxpayer dollars for abortions. The *actual* affect is to all but completely prohibit any insurance payments for abortion. Needless to say, that will be killed in committee. One look at Leuck in that Spandex nighty he prances around town in is proof enough that we *need* the option to abort. :^)

Absolutely. The Bush trap was just another attempt divert trillions of dollars to the same sleazy bastards who destroyed the US economy under his watchful, jaundiced eye.

Agreed.

For me it's irrelavent. I won't make it to the qualifying age even if they leave it alone. But if my wife does the smart thing she can receive benefits based on my contribution... er, taxes.

Not the Dems. That's the Repugnant party thing. We are much more fair. We screw everyone. :^)

Correction: I meant the Stupak amendment. The Hyde amendment also related to abortion but Stupak's amendment is the bomb-shell. There's a lot of talk about it on the Hill at the moment. It's certain to be deleted from the final bill. It runs counter to the Supreme Court decision in Roe so leaving it in would invite a constitutional challenge... from the left. That's not something we need right now. :^)

Could you imagine the nightmare we would be in had Bush been allowed to dump SS funds into the stock market when he wanted to? Another example of "privatizing" profits, and "socializing" losses.

Even with the market today they would still be far better off than what they currently get from the Government.

But hey go ahead and keep supporting a dying pyramid scheme, there might even be something left by the time you retire