Harddrive-based camcorder as standalone security camera?

I'm looking for a simple, fairly portable standalone security camera setup. Something that could be loaned out on a temporary basis, is located indoors, and records things outdoors (say, car break-ins) through a window. And not too expensive, hopefully less than $600 or so.

Looking at these new harddrive-based camcorders that have come out this year, I wonder if they might be a workable solution...

For example, the new Toshiba Gigashot 60GB camcorder ($450) can record up to 55 hours on its lower-quality setting, not bad! There's also the Sony DCR 30/60GB Handycam models with the infrared nightvision setting, which could be handy. You could just let it run, and reset it every day or two to make sure the hard drive didn't fill up. It's obviously a lot more workable than a MiniDV camcorder, where you'd have to swap tapes every few hours. If an incident occurred, then we'd download the video file to a PC to view and edit as needed.

Has anyone tried using one of these camcorders this way? I'm wondering if the camcorders would run reliably nonstop for 24 or 48 hours without a problem, recording to a single giant mpeg file. Also, would they be OK running 24/7 for a few weeks. Ideally, there'd be some way to set the camcorder to record nonstop indefinitely, such as recording to a new file every 12 hours and deleting the oldest file on the hard drive... but I'm guessing none of these camcorders have such a feature.

I know there are other setups I could go with, but I'd rather not lug a monitor and PC (or DVR) around. The nice thing about the above setup is that you just use the camcorder viewfinder as your viewing screen. And you get better video quality and zoom capability for the money with camcorders than you do with dedicated security cameras.

I think these are my options:

  1. Use a harddrive-based camcorder by itself, as described above.

  1. In an ideal world, hardwarewise I'd be able use a cheaper MiniDV camcorder such as the Canon ZR500 (5), and buy my own external 200GB hard drive for 0 or so and plug that into the camcorder via firewire and just record video straight to the hard drive, with the camera controlling the hard drive. That would be awesome, and pretty cheap. I assume there aren't any camcorders that can do this?

  2. If none of the above setups are workable, I guess I could get a cheaper MiniDV camcorder and then a used laptop for 0 or so with a decent sized hard drive and firewire connection, with software to record straight to the laptop? With that setup I'd guess the camcorder should be able to run indefinitely, and I could have motion detection and some other nice features. That's more of a hassle for someone to borrow and figure out how to use, though.

Thanks for any input.

- Doug

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Roland Moore

Thanks Roland.

I have to say, the VIP X1 looks very useful for what it does, basically converting an old composite analog video or security camera to an IP network camera with a web server (like an Axis camera, etc), for a pretty cheap price ($130 or so). I might need one of those at some point.

I don't think it will help that much for this set up, though... I didn't see anything about a purpose-built external USB hard drive in the VIP X1 manual. The manual indicates that a computer of some sort is needed. (Do you know what the name of this purpose-built hard drive is?) Also, I don't think USB 1.0 would be fast enough to transmit a decent video signal anyway.

Right now, for my standalone setup, I think I'm resigned to my option #3. I don't think the hard-drive based camcorders are quite there yet in terms of being used as a security camera, but they're getting close. I have to wonder if sometime soon there will be some sort of Linux OS which could run on one of these camcorders, which could then have some custom security-oriented software to record non-stop to the hard drive, use motion detection, etc. That would be the ultimate standalone solution... maybe in a few years.

On the plus side, I did find a dirt-cheap DVR recorder on the net that I'm tempted to try, the GadSpot GS760, 250GB 4-channel DVR for $260. (Oh crap, now the site says they're sold out, they weren't yesterday.) Anyway, some kind of decent 1-channel DVR is all I really need. I guess I'd also need a cheap LCD monitor & adapter to hook up to the DVR to be able to view recorded video, although I might be able to get away with not setting that up at the temporary setup location. Although maybe it would be best just to get the LCD monitor too, because then I could just buy a regular security camera (without viewscreen) instead of a camcorder. I see cheap 14" LCD monitors are availabe at WalMart for $125 or so... of course, a composite (BNC) video to VGA adapter is another $75. Still, I may still be able to get something going for less than $600 total.

- Doug

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Try these websites. I think I've seen equipment like this in their catalogs, already in kits.

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I get catalogs from these companies all the time but I can't attest to the quality of their products.

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Ok, I see now where it indicates that the VIP X1 supports a purpose-built USB hard drive... interesting, thanks. I'm still haven't found what the name of this hard drive product is or how to set it up with the VIP X1, though. (and whether it supports motion detection, etc)

The "recording at the edge" concept makes sense, and it's basically what I'm doing... just recording straight to a hard drive before worrying about going over an IP network.

Anyway, after some more research, I've figured out that my best option is probably a standalone DVR plus a simple (composite video) security camera or two. The cheaper DVR's are well within my price range, and a lot of them come with 4 channels instead of 1, but they're not any more expensive.

So I took a chance and ordered the Gadspot GS760 4-channel DVR w/320GB drive for $300. It's just composite video inputs and video monitor output, but it also has motion detection, built-in web server with ethernet connection, etc. Seems like a great deal... not sure if it will be as rock-solid as something like Bosch or Axis (I have a few Axis cameras on my home network which are great), but Gadspot isn't a total no-name brand either... we'll see how it goes. I'll let you all know if it craps out in 3 months. ;-) (Jim -- I checked out the sites you mention, and there are some DVRs a little above this price range, but the GS760 seems like my best option for now.)

Also, the composite video cameras are cheaper than IP cameras, so there's some savings there too. The DVR plus two cameras (one color and one IR) came out to around $500. Might as well try more than 1 camera since I have 4 channels. And there's no real reason to get an IP camera if I'm just recording straight to disk... I can hook up the DVR to the network if I need to.

For a monitor, I'll probably just lug around my spare 12" color tv for now. Or, whoever is borrowing the setup could use their own spare tv. If I do order something, instead of an LCD VGA computer monitor as I mentioned below, an LCD TV (w/composite video) would probably be a cheaper option, something like this:

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I gave up on the camcorder idea for now. Thanks for the everyone's input.

- Doug

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It works on many USB 2.0 Hard Drive set ups. The product is set up through the standard web browser interface. It does support record on motion. It also supports a different form of detection know as intelligent video analytics. There aren't many DVR units that have that feature at this time, and none in the low end market segment.

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