DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM

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This old man needs help from an expert-I'm stumped.
I have a 1 1/2 year old self installed/programmed-DSC 832 System. The
Board is labeled 50/300. Thus far everything seems to work fine
except:

In my residence I wish to use the Cross Zone Police Code feature to
reduce FALSE ALARMS from a single zone. I have programmed
[328]Miscellaneous Alarm Reporting Codes, Option #6 Cross Zone Police
Code Alarm as "4A".

Today I did 3 tests.The  central station got alarms for both the entry
zones &  the MIR zones correctly but did not receive the 4A code.

Typically I would want them to dispatch police after intruder violates
a perimeter/entry zone and an interior MIR (or less likely 2
perimeter/entry type zones) The Cross Zone Police Code Alarm  seems
perfect for doing that. They would dispatch if "4A" is received & they
could not contact us by phone.

FYI, I use my LCD keypad for programming and have tripled checked that
[328] option #6 is "4a". HELP PLEASE. THANKS

Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
If you programmed a 4A into the cross zone police code reporting slot, and
your panel is set to transmit contact ID, the central station will receive a
"14A" or possibly a "140"
js

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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
YES. You are correct the board appends a "1" on the front of the 4A,
but the central station said they did not get anything for cross zone.
But..I shall test again and ask them again to look carefully for a 14A
or a 4A or a 140..but shouldn't they see and English string for the
code too?

THANKS

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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
they "should"


| YES. You are correct the board appends a "1" on the front of the 4A,
| but the central station said they did not get anything for cross zone.
| But..I shall test again and ask them again to look carefully for a 14A
| or a 4A or a 140..but shouldn't they see and English string for the
| code too?
|
| THANKS
|
| wrote:
|
| >If you programmed a 4A into the cross zone police code reporting slot,
and
| >your panel is set to transmit contact ID, the central station will
receive a
| >"14A" or possibly a "140"
| >js
| >
| >> This old man needs help from an expert-I'm stumped.
| >> I have a 1 1/2 year old self installed/programmed-DSC 832 System. The
| >> Board is labeled 50/300. Thus far everything seems to work fine
| >> except:
| >>
| >> In my residence I wish to use the Cross Zone Police Code feature to
| >> reduce FALSE ALARMS from a single zone. I have programmed
| >> [328]Miscellaneous Alarm Reporting Codes, Option #6 Cross Zone Police
| >> Code Alarm as "4A".
| >>
| >> Today I did 3 tests.The  central station got alarms for both the entry
| >> zones &  the MIR zones correctly but did not receive the 4A code.
| >>
| >> Typically I would want them to dispatch police after intruder violates
| >> a perimeter/entry zone and an interior MIR (or less likely 2
| >> perimeter/entry type zones) The Cross Zone Police Code Alarm  seems
| >> perfect for doing that. They would dispatch if "4A" is received & they
| >> could not contact us by phone.
| >>
| >> FYI, I use my LCD keypad for programming and have tripled checked that
| >> [328] option #6 is "4a". HELP PLEASE. THANKS
| >
|



Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
I don't use contact ID much, but yes, the message should show up in English.
Mark Leuck will know.
js
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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
As I work at a station and I know that there software needs to be configured
to see what you are sending.

Also, what reporting format are you sending in?  try changing to automatic
sia and advised your station and then test.


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English.
and
receive



Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
I use Contact ID. The central station I use doesn't support SIA I was
told when I first installed my system.

If I were to use SIA I would have to reprogram ALL the codes I send
them, wouldn't I?  Or does the name AUTO SIA really mean the codes
sent are automatically chosen by the software? Reprogramming is  not
impossible task but still..

More interesting... I will ask them about the possibility that their
software has to be configured to recognize my sending Contact ID code
for cross zone.

I wonder, is there a central station supporting Contact ID who I could
send a test with the Cross Zone codes--for a fee of course???? That
way I could find out if I am really sending the cross zone code. I
only would have to change the phone number and perhaps my partition ID
for the test only.

Thanks for your insight.

On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:05:20 -0600, "Dana Wiegner"

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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
Contact ID is a format that sends an event code, area (partition) and a
zone.  For example a fire alarm in area 1 on zone 10 would come to the
central station as E11001010.

The E indicates this signal is an event, not a restore.  The next 3 digits
are the event code, 110 = Fire Alarm.  The next 2 digits are the area, 01.
The last 3 digits are the zone, 010.

No text is sent other than the E or the R.  The zone description has to
reside in the automation system.

Contact ID has hundreds of standard events and most automation systems are
able to translate the event even if an exact zone description does not
exist.  For example, if the fire alarm above was “Smoke Detectors on Second
Floor” the automation system would display Fire Alarm Smoke Detectors on
Second Floor.  If the automation system did not have the zone description it
would display Fire Alarm Invalid or just Fire Alarm.

I hope this helps.

Ron Wies
Monitoring America Alarm Co-Op
www.monitoringamerica.com

Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
Ron and all,

That was a very helpful explanation of what the central station
actually receives.

Is the following  example correct?

If the cross zone is created by:

First violating zone 03 which is an entry door.  The violation of zone
03 is programmed to transmit a (1)34 meaning Burglary,Entry/Exit.
Yes,I programmed the "34" for zone 03 and the system adds the "1".
Zone 03 is in area 01.

The central station will then receive E13401003, Correct?

The second violation is an interior motion detector in zone 05 which I
have programmed to send (1)32 meaning Burglary, Interior. Zone 05 is
in area 01.

The central station will then  receive E13201005, Correct?

What would they receive for the CrossZone(Police Code) Alarm condition
that has been created by two different zones being violated? E14A01???
 If the last three digits are the zone, which of the two contributing
zones are sent?... Or for an event not directly tied to a single zone
does the pattern sent to the central station differ from the example
you gave us.

My central station has the English strings(text) for each of my zones
programmed into their computer. When I ask them what they got from a
test they tell me the NAME and number of the zone(s) violated.

If I can understand the exact text string the central station gets for
the Cross Zone condition perhaps I can tell them that .It may help
them find out if they received it.

In previous tests they have received everything they should (except
cross zone). They are able to tell me the exact sequence of violations
by names of zones and the restores. I do NOT send them
openings,closings, tampers, and most maintenance events except duress,
opening after alarm,recent closing.

Are there third parties whom I can test cross zone with?

Thanks for all the help.



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Thats enough to make me find another central station

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Auto SIA sends the proper codes regardless of what is programmed into the
report location (except 00). Why they never added auto CID until recently is
beyond me



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English.

It's things like this that forbid me to program 832's with Contact ID



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I have a DSC 864. I use cross zoning on several zones. If you use auto
contact ID Reporting the panel automatically sends a report code in
response to the cross zone set up. If 1 or more of the zones designated as
cross zones are violated within the pre-set time, the panel sends a contact
ID code as "alarm verifier"

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contact

Correct but until recently the 832 didn't have auto Contact ID like the 1555
and 5020 do



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The 832 now has auto contact ID??
js

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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
In the new 3.2 version that doesn't seem to be out anywhere yet, also the
new panels have it

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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
I didn't know they updated the 832 beyond v 2.0. You have seen a 5010 v 3.2?
js
Top posted just to piss John off.

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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
I haven't seen the 832's yet although you can get the documents from DSC's
site, I have seen a few of the new PC1555 3.2's out there though, perhaps
since the new stuff is due out in July they won't release it?

Who's John?

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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
Maybe some of your feedback may be referring to later VERSIONS of the
DSC 832 than I have. I have an installation manual & programming
worksheets booklet that are VERSION 2.0. I assume, perhaps
incorrectly, that I have a Version 2.0 board. Board was purchased NEW.

The only place I can program  for Cross Zone is [328] Miscellaneous
Alarm Reporting Codes. I do not see any opportunity to program
anything about which ZONES or TIME between violations that constitute
cross zone. I have read in later Versions' manuals ( V 3.0 I think)
that you can program times and perhaps other options.
For [101]-[132] I only have 8 options per zone.

Maybe there is a  parameter that I have programmed incorrectly.

Here are the ones that MIGHT possibly effect cross zone and my
programming of these. I think all the parameters associated with cross
zone are programmed correctly because the central station gets
everything ELSE correctly.

[328] option 4 & 5 = FF,OPTION 6 of course= 4A
[001]-[004] Doors=01, Windows=03, Some motions are=06, most are 05
[320]-[327] doors=34,windows=31, motions=32
[330]-[338]=FF
[339]-[348] all except Duress are FF
[349]-[351] all FF (If I am not home nobody to fix anything)
[352]-353]=FF
[360] option 1=on, others=OFF
[362]-[364]=off
[365] option 1=on, rest=off
[366]=all off
[367] option 1=ON, rest=off
[367] option 1=on, rest off
[368]= OFF
[370] 003,003,003,000,000,003,001,001,000,000 (all except AC fail
=default even though some will never happen)
[371]0000
[380]1=ON rest OFF
[381]-end off,FFFF

AGAIN, MUCH THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK.I AM LEARNING A LOT.

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Re: DSC-Cross Zone Police Code Alarm PROBLEM
Assuming that you have contact ID programmmed in both locations in 360, you
have 361 option 1 as on ,that you don't have the system partitioned and you
don't have transmission delay enabled in the zone attributes, then I would
try changing section 363 option 1 and 368 option 1 to on, if that doesn't
help then you could try  another code in section 328 instead of 4A such as
33 just to see if the CS is mishandling 4A

Doug L

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