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Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 11:18:52 AM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Bob,
         I apologize my name is Stephen James

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 11:18:52 AM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
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Bob,  
     As I said I am a big guy with a big head, hands, feet and also a big h
eart, I would like to apologize for the remarks directed to you, and I trul
y appreciate your response. I can see the way I went about asking was not t
he most eloquent, but we here in the northeast tend to be a bit direct at t
imes. That being said I was just surprise with the response I got back and  
figured there were some snot nose kids here with no experience, you seem to
 have many more years on me I got into security in 2000 after spending 10 y
ears with Lucent as a engineer. The request was for a friend of mind church
 that is trying to extricate themselves from Tyco. Our market is the large  
commercial market, so we don't do intrusion systems more less fire panels.
  So once again I apologize for how I replied back to you.
P.S. My invite still stands for visiting Staten Island.  

Best Regards,
Stephen James

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
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ince you are a small guy with small hands that can use a small keyboard, I  
guess you have the rest of your anatomy small also, along with a small mind
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Now THAT's HILARIOUS  !!!!!!  

An actual typographical threat.  

I'm surprised with all that bigness that you aren't typing in capital lette
rs.

Now THAT would be scary. oooowwww! REALLY scary.

Oh, and your right, I'm sure you'll do much better with the ASSis People.

Your gone troll.

Bye Bye now.

SNIP !

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:16:55 AM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 12:16:55 AM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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 since you are a small guy with small hands that can use a small keyboard,  
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Jim,  
     Once again you are mentioning size, you seem to have the affinity abou
t size. Are you trying to compensate for some short coming anatomically.
Les was able to articulate his point on where he stand on the issues, as fo
r you your reply always seem to be childish and immature, not once you said
 anything with substance.  
As for ASIS I don't think you have the professional credentials nor the men
tal capacity to interact with people that look at issues and not, reply to  
people and a sophomoric manner without contributing anything useful.  

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On 2/7/2020 10:31 AM, phoenixintsys@gmail.com wrote:
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To be fair you haven't said anything of substance either.  Nor have you  
added any value to this group.  I am a member of many forums, and manage  
one as well as following several Usenet groups, and your interaction  
here is classically repeated many times over time and space.

1.  Oh look a group that that might help me.
2.  Help me and do something that might even be questionable ethically  
and certainly only for the purpose of helping me.
3.  What do you mean, "No."  I thought this group was (** insert phrase  
here), but since you aren't then you must inferior and I will insult you  
because I think you deserve it.

** Most common meaning of phrase is "here to serve me, intended to  
insult you, or better yet both."

One I see on my fishing forums all the time is,

1 & 2. "Hey I have never contributed to your forum, and I will not  
contribute in the future, but I am fishing a tournament in your area  
next week end and I am giving you the opportunity to share with me all  
the secrets, tips, tactics and techniques for your area as well as  
current hot spots and current conditions."

3.a.  What do you mean no?  I thought this forum was here to share  
information and help people.  Obviously I was wrong. Maybe you shouldn't  
even have a forum.

3.b.  I am also to lazy to bother doing a search of your forums among  
the tens of thousands of posts to find the information already shared  
freely.  Just summarize it all for me.

Its old.  Its tired.  Its one way.  There is some economic truth to each  
person only doing what's best for themselves, but if that was an  
absolute this group wouldn't exist at all. So how about you start over.  
Except for Mark I doubt many of the other members of the group have the  
codes you want, and it would be a violation of trust with those  
companies for Mark to share their dealer program codes.

The best thing to do in many cases is a panel swap, but if the only  
reason the church is trying to change companies is to save a few dollars  
a month and break a contract.  Perhaps you should walk away anyway.  You  
will never get compensated for the panel or the time in most cases.  
I've never had a church willing to pay me for anything, but they are  
more than willing to waste hours and hours of my time to get multiple  
quotes, say they want the gold standard, and then say "If you donate it  
you know its tax deductible right?"  Even when I was hurting for money  
they wanted me to destitute myself to donate it.  I'm not uncharitable.  
I have done work for children's homes and other charities totally for  
free, but they didn't waste my time looking for a solid gold handout  
when they could afford it.  They truly needed it.




Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On 2/7/2020 1:28 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

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Bob, I THANK YOU very much for taking the time to type all of that.
And, I know it did take time.  I was actually considering typing
a similar note to the now "Stephen James" but, I held off.

Honestly, I have a feeling that it will fall on deaf ears.
Certain people just don't or won't get it!!  Ever!!

Ditto on the last paragraph.  Been there, done that many times over the
past 30 years.  I am lucky just to break even.  Multiple times in just
the past month or so.

Again thanks for taking the time.  All well said!!

Have yourself (and the other regulars) here a great weekend.

Les





Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 1:28:15 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
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so since you are a small guy with small hands that can use a small keyboard
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Fabulous reply Bob.

Although I must say, I wouldn't have taken up my valuable time to do it mys
elf.
We've been through too much in this group to start the whole thing over aga
in.  

I couldn't believe that he was touting his "professionalism" after asking f
or help in determining another companys dealer codes.  

Amazing!  


Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 2:17:35 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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Guys,
        I get it,my approach on asking for help was not the best , I did no
t think about the ethical aspect of what my request entail.What was surpris
ing was the response, as for professionalism I ask fellow colleagues  in ot
her disciplines for help and a favorite reply I get back is " really I thin
k you got to retool your request". That being said after getting back the r
eplies, how would you guys attract people that might have something to offe
r, and contribute to the forum.
I can see that you guys are passionate about the field of security and what
 I can gather, you have the years of experience to back it up, so I will st
ill monitor the post I am not going to disappear into the night, but hopefu
lly maybe one day I can be of help to someone.Once again I appreciate your  
 time and I would say our lively debate so far. An to update you guys I wen
t on Ebay and got me a panel today as Les said just replaced the thing and  
I got some reading material from Honeywell and both my friend and I will at
tempt to replace the panel, hopefully his points list is accurate.

Best Regards,
Stephen James.  
  

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On 2/7/2020 3:33 PM, phoenixintsys@gmail.com wrote:
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;-)
learning comes in many forms.
RTS

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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*


Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Friday, February 7, 2020 at 7:01:53 PM UTC-5, RTS wrote:
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You would have completely cracked me up if you had said:

Learning comes in many forms ----- grasshopper.

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On 2/7/2020 11:18 PM, Jim Davis wrote:
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Now THAT is the funnest thing I have read all day!!!

And it is 8:30AM on a Saturday.  I believe it will stand firm all day!!

Thanks Rocky and Jim!!

Les

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
Well, I have not used a 128FBPN, but a quick google search will show you wh
at the default code is, 5140 or whatever.  

Again, as far as I know, it is not a lockable board. No *88 to lockout and  
prevent power up to get into programming.

Tyco is ADT somewhat? Look up programming on ADT systems, and you might get
 close.

Also, the board uses a removable chip right? Put in another chip...! Just s
aying. It is not rocket science, just plain logic.

Even if the main chip is soldered on any board, there is usually another ch
ip available on the board. Think outside the box- well not literally.

I do hate locked boards for takeovers. But, after some years, they are not  
a problem anymore. A cheap security system mainboard is not much dollars to
 spend, but a fire system/security combo board is not cheap. I do not think
 that any board should be locked out after the monitoring term expires. No  
company should be taking over the right of ownership of the board from the  
real actual owner of the system, and appropriate it to themselves only. If  
someone calls to get into a formerly locked system that has not a defaulted
 installer code, we give it out...

...Pause and take a breath... Do not worry, the code is only valid for that
 system, it is one of 10,000 combinations. You are not using the same code  
for your systems for everyone, are you??? Practice safe installer code allo
cation, and you will sleep well at night.  

Now, during an active monitoring term by contract, you better keep out of a
nyone else's boards though.

Just trying to be fair,    to everyone.

This is a good group, fun guys, you probably just started out too strong.

And yes, I am a small person.  

Bee Bop  


Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 12:07:16 AM UTC-5, Bee Bop wrote:
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what the default code is, 5140 or whatever.  
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chip available on the board. Think outside the box- well not literally.
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t a problem anymore. A cheap security system mainboard is not much dollars  
to spend, but a fire system/security combo board is not cheap. I do not thi
nk that any board should be locked out after the monitoring term expires. N
o company should be taking over the right of ownership of the board from th
e real actual owner of the system, and appropriate it to themselves only. I
f someone calls to get into a formerly locked system that has not a default
ed installer code, we give it out...
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at system, it is one of 10,000 combinations. You are not using the same cod
e for your systems for everyone, are you??? Practice safe installer code al
location, and you will sleep well at night.  
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 anyone else's boards though.
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Hello,
       Thank you for your thoughtful response, I took Bob's advice and went
 and got a board and is in the process of getting the church to get their r
elationship with Tyco sorted out and we will give it a shot, will post our  
success or epic failure on this adventure.
Once again to all the guys that replied I would like to acknowledge that my
 request was blunt and was not looking at the ethical aspect of asking to r
eveal protected information.
As for small  person , I would say you are big on looking at things in a co
llaborative point of view.
Thank you for you advice and look forward to hopefully one day have some th
ing to contribute  

Regards,
Stephen James.    
  

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Thursday, February 20, 2020 at 10:40:43 AM UTC-5, phoeni...@gmail.com wr
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nt and got a board and is in the process of getting the church to get their
 relationship with Tyco sorted out and we will give it a shot, will post ou
r success or epic failure on this adventure.
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my request was blunt and was not looking at the ethical aspect of asking to
 reveal protected information.
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collaborative point of view.
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thing to contribute  
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Yes? Yes? Hello?  

Bass? Bass? Is that you ? ? ? ?

OH GOD! Please tell me that reincarnation isn't true ! ! !


Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:19:06 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:
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went and got a board and is in the process of getting the church to get the
ir relationship with Tyco sorted out and we will give it a shot, will post  
our success or epic failure on this adventure.
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Who is this person Bass, he must have left a great impression on you,you mu
st think very highly of him, Please enlighten me on this mythical person yo
u refer to  


Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On 2/21/2020 3:41 PM, phoenixintsys@gmail.com wrote:
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OH NO!!!  To ask such a question with out a typing a actual
question mark. AKA (?)

This may be a good time to just go on vacation for a month and
hopefully upon return, all the potential discussions will be
easily deleted as if it they never happened.

Have a good weekend, Jim, Bob, Rocky, et al.

I will now start packing.  :-)

Les

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
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my favorite weekend,  sleeping in,  and a nice lunch..  ;-)
RTS

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*Rocky T. Squirrel, esq.*


Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On Monday, February 10, 2020 at 11:07:16 PM UTC-6, Bee Bop wrote:
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what the default code is, 5140 or whatever.  
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d prevent power up to get into programming.
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et close.
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chip available on the board. Think outside the box- well not literally.
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t a problem anymore. A cheap security system mainboard is not much dollars  
to spend, but a fire system/security combo board is not cheap. I do not thi
nk that any board should be locked out after the monitoring term expires. N
o company should be taking over the right of ownership of the board from th
e real actual owner of the system, and appropriate it to themselves only. I
f someone calls to get into a formerly locked system that has not a default
ed installer code, we give it out...
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at system, it is one of 10,000 combinations. You are not using the same cod
e for your systems for everyone, are you??? Practice safe installer code al
location, and you will sleep well at night.  
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 anyone else's boards though.
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Yes it can be completely locked out but not through installer programming

And while replacing the board can be easy when you are dealing with a large
 board like a 128 that it can be a major pain getting everything to work li
ke it did before especially when you don't know how it was previously confi
gured

Re: Anyone knows the installer code that Tyco uses
On 2/20/2020 9:40 PM, mleuck wrote:
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Not to mention the likely Monitoring Contract that will be in violation
once someone other than Tyco touches the panel.  And then there are
local/state code violations if this panel happens to be an approved
Fire Alarm install.  Duhhhh

Just saying.

Maybe all of that is for another thread...... or not!!

Les


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