Access Control Project with a Twist

Hi Les

Yeah, You can use this

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Since the internet relay doesn't have a momentary function, when you activa te the relay, a change in state trips the altronix relay which you set the timer to open a contact for a specified period of time to deactivate the ma g lock.

This might cause some confusion because sometime the internet relay will be in the off state and sometime it will be in the on state depending upon ho w the last user left it. But ----- you will have to determine how smart you r customer is to explain this to.

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 7:52:27 PM UTC-5, Jim Davis wrote:>

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vate the relay, a change in state trips the altronix relay which you set th e timer to open a contact for a specified period of time to deactivate the mag lock.

be in the off state and sometime it will be in the on state depending upon how the last user left it. But ----- you will have to determine how smart y our customer is to explain this to.

By the way Les, I've never done this before. It's just something I've thoug ht about and searched for. You can investigate it further. You may come up with a better idea

Thanks Jim,

I can see how that might work one time but then again becomes a big question. I am sure I can jury rig something that would maybe do the job. But I seriously don't want to sell it and put my name on it.

What I was hoping is that there was a access control system that would have this kind of feature built in to a control app.

It was mentioned to me today that Alarm.com has a Access Control package of some sort that might do it. Something I need to investigate further.

BTW I just loaded the app on my phone to take a look. Just reading the service agreement and privacy policy is a bit....................... Well let's just say I cancelled and deleted the app. I actually have no need for it at this time so what would be the point.

I do see the possibilities for experimenting and such. But not for this project.

Again thanks for the interesting input.

Les

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ctivate the relay, a change in state trips the altronix relay which you set the timer to open a contact for a specified period of time to deactivate t he mag lock.

ll be in the off state and sometime it will be in the on state depending up on how the last user left it. But ----- you will have to determine how smar t your customer is to explain this to.

hought about and searched for. You can investigate it further. You may come up with a better idea

Coincidently, I have a customer who has asked me to look into a small acces s control system for him also. One with an app.

I've made it a policy to not do telephone systems and access control system s because, being it's just me doing the installation AND service, I don't f eel that I would be able to service these technologies in a timely manner t o serve my customers. If these types of systems go down, they require insta nt response. I can't provide that.

Anyway, this customer is very tech savvy and if I spec it out and install i t he is willing to maintain and service it or live with the fact that I may not be able to respond quickly.

I am presently having a conversation with the following company which I fou nd doing a Google search. You may find what you are looking for here also

Located in California however, which could be a potential problem.

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ctivate the relay, a change in state trips the altronix relay which you set the timer to open a contact for a specified period of time to deactivate t he mag lock.

ll be in the off state and sometime it will be in the on state depending up on how the last user left it. But ----- you will have to determine how smar t your customer is to explain this to.

hought about and searched for. You can investigate it further. You may come up with a better idea

I called ADI Tech assistance and they said that the only non-cloud system c ontrollable with an app that they knew of was Paxton.

I told them the job requirements and they said they would send me a quote. Get this now, --------- so for 4 doors the cost was over $4,000.00 ! ! ! ! Wadayakidinme !!!!!!

What customer is going to pay that ---- plus labor for a four door access c ontrol system?

Unfreekinbelievable ! ! !

Thanks Jim,

I looked at the site. From what I can see of the mega advertising glitter it looks like something that might work. This shows promise.

However, for me I need to see more details. Maybe I will make contact depending on how the meeting goes with the customer on Wednesday.

Thanks for the tip.

Les

Jim,

LOL I stopped dealing with ADI quite sometime ago. I was quoted a price on a specific item. $1400.

I then called the Mfg. Tech Support and I think I ended up talking to someone higher up. I was asking some specific questions about the product. He answered very well and in English. He then said that the unit I was asking about was priced at $960. for dealers. WHAT!!!

So I called back ADI and questioned the person that quoted me $1400. And then told her what I was told be the Mfg. She said, "Well he should not have told you that." Put me on hold for about

2 minutes and came back with "We will match that price". WHAT!!

I called another Distributor and was quoted $960. off the top.

I then placed my order. Done Deal!!!

I only call ADI now when I need something specific for a Ademco item. Which does not happen very often. Last was about 10 months ago.

Les

MAYBE.....

"World's Best Doorbell Phone"

Access module, dialer module, and maybe the long ring time module.

No ap needed. I did this a very very long time ago.

I used to buy the stuff from Mike Sandman, but the last few pieces I bought came from ADI.

For good security and easy operation trip a log only zone on teh panel, and shunt the anti pass back (tailgater) zone on the access door.

Its been a while since I installed any new access control, but that's probably only a little high. I used to estimate $2k per door when ball parking to see if a customer had the budget to work up an actual quote. Of course that was $2K installed. Not $2K in hardware. Most was a little less, but high security, with redundancy, anti pass back, etc sometimes cost more. Specialty doors, adding structure to support controllable locking hardware and other piddly ass details often bumped that up a little more. Little things like welding a handle on a gate I just threw in, but cutting a gate apart and welding in a box to mount a strike, and doing the same for the lockset takes some time. Of course if they have a panic bar then you have to add screen or sheet to prevent reach through. Its not hard for access control to cost a lot eve if you have a modest hourly rate.

Hi Bob,

Yes, I have actually used the "Door Bell Phone" thing a number of years ago. Worked quite well for the customer in a small house.

I have purchased a number of unusual things from Mike Sandman as well only because it did what is was designed for and most important, it worked.

For this project my first question is going to be: What is your budget?? The answer may put the kibosh to the whole thing very quickly.

I will know more in the morning. :-)

Les

You know if you donate it then its tax deductible right?

Bob, you are such a funny guy!! Thanks for the smile. First one today!!

Les

Had the meeting today.

No remote access. No cameras to interface Just a standard prox reader and keypad for access.

The brain can relax. YEA!!!

Les

Thanks for the input!!!

It must be church week. Had one of my customers, a Baptist Church call and tell me they needed a service call. Get this now ---- They have a Napco 800 control panel I installed 36 years ago. Visonic motion detectors. Only thi ng I've ever been back for is to fix a door contact that had gone bad. Neve r any false alarms. Any way, when I get there there's no green light on the keypad. It seems that the keys must have been getting hard to press and th ey pushed the keypad printed circuit board back into the wall. I told him t hey obviously don't make the system any more and simply due to it's age it' s likely better to replace the main panel and keypad with a new rather then putting money into this one which will soon likely fail anyway. I gave him the price and got the typical pained look in return. The pastor said that anything over $500.00 had to be approved by the/a committee and the next me eting wasn't for a few weeks. I said what if I billed you $400.00 a month u ntil it was paid? His face lit up He said he'd never thought of that and we shook on the deal.

They've always been pretty good payers so I'm thinking it'll work out ok. I was surprised that there was no attempt at any haggling. I thinking that m y payment idea took him by surprise and he forgot his routine :-D

roject my first question is going to be: What is your budget??

tax deductible right?

funny guy!!

oday!!

h week. Had one of my customers, a Baptist Church call and tell me they needed a service call. Get this now

---- They have a Napco 800 control panel I installed 3

6 years ago. Visonic motion detectors. Only thing I've ever been back for is to fix a door contact that had gone bad. Never any false alarms. Any way, when I get there there's no green light on the keypad. It seems t hat the keys must have been getting hard to press and they pushed the keypad printed circuit board back into the wall. I told him they obviously don't make the sy stem any more and simply due to it's age it's likely b etter to replace the main panel and keypad with a new rather then putting money into this one which will soo n likely fail anyway. I gave him the price and got the typical pained look in return. The pastor said that a nything over $500.00 had to be approved by the/a commi ttee and the next meeting wasn't for a few weeks. I sa id what if I billed you $400.00 a month until it was p aid? His face lit up He said he'd never thought of tha t and we shook on the deal.

pretty good payers so I'm thinking it'll work out ok. I was surprised that there was no attempt at any hagg ling. I thinking that my payment idea took him by surp rise and he forgot his routine :-D

Jim,

LOL That is what a good salesman would do. It would have crossed my mind. Duhhhh

Good Job!! Congrats!!

Les