CCTV, Alarms and other Physical Security The Fire Alarm experts Strike Again

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Posted by nick markowitz on October 29, 2006, 10:11 am
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Friend of mine asked me to install a Burglar alarm at a  large retail store
which the place he works for just recently moved to after losing there
previous lease.
The store is fully sprinklered and has a fire system by another large
Burg/Fire installing company and I made sure before starting that he realy
wanted me to do the burg alarm and not the company that did the fire work.
He said he did not want them doing the burg.work becuse he was displeased
with how the fire system was put in.
The store owner has an electronics backround so he had an inkling things
were not done properly.
After I get my  burg system installed and working  the sales (pig) rep shows
up from other company upset they did not get the burg work and said I
installed used products and they were all obsolete. mind you what I
installed was all new Honeywell  and some of it was beta products not even
on the market yet.
The sales (Pig) Rep was shown the door and 3 days ago
a small flash fire developed when chemichals flashed over in a utilty room
and luckily fire dept responded when smoke went off  but system it self
never sounded. only keypad beeped.
tech from fire company came out and found wire on horn circuit was not
hooked to panel.Horn ciruit was never supervised.
So much for there superior systems and installs.
seems like these fire experts never learn.
and now the AHJ is not to pleased abiut the situation.



Posted by Doug on October 29, 2006, 10:41 am
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Nick, I've seen many fire systems that have been installed improperly, I've
seen a lot more where the original installation was probably OK, but the
system has been compromised by others working on the system, be it a
sprinkler company disconnecting the bell circuits while they drain the
system, an electrician disconnecting the keypad/annunciator to stop it
beeping while they shut down power, elevator companies disconnecting the
recall relays, the building owner disconnecting pull stations, a single
phone line looped to two RJ jacks, flow switches wired so they send an alarm
on restore and a restore on flow, I've even seen them installed facing the
wrong way on the pipe, wall warts supplying power to the panel, in many
cases its impossible to tell who was responsible for the errors, but its not
always the original installation or service company.

Doug
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Posted by Stanley Barthfarkle on October 29, 2006, 12:01 pm
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(Sorry for top posting... continuity)

All of which is why quarterly fire alarm testing is a good idea for
commercial, and 30 days for large commercial/industrial.




Posted by nick markowitz on October 29, 2006, 7:15 pm
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In this case it was because they had just put the system back on line and
suposedly tested it.


Posted by Roland Moore on October 29, 2006, 12:09 pm
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I can only relate to what I have experienced. If someone had just moved in
that means a new CO right? That means the AHJ must have just had it tested
and tagged in the not too distant past to obtain the CO. There had to be
some tags on the system if it was already installed showing last test date,
results etc. Seems that would be fairly fresh on everyones mind. This might
be a "whodunit" with an unhappy ending for someone.




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