Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year

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Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year

New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year, which
shows good news for Blu-ray.



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That study is skewed by the fact that most laptops sold lately come
with Blueray over HD drives, so that becomes the motivation.  Is it
HT?  Is it convergence?  Also how much of that is due to having the
more popular titles?  I hope eventually the format that "wins" is the
technically better one, not the marketed or politically better one,
like what happened to Beta.  Nobody really benefits if the technically
superior one loses for political/marketing reasons.



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Ever hear the aphorism, "Better is the enemy of good enough?"  B/R appears
to be slightly superior, but does it matter?  Perhaps to technophobes who
claim they can detect the improvement in sound when a amp has 3ft of
sterling silver power cord connecting it to the household current (carried
by yards of lowest common denominator romax).

Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't videophiles.
I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air.  The
market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor marketing.

R / John



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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:22:39 -0500, John Carrier wrote:

Perhaps to technophobes who
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.....with an even greater improvement after it has been "broken-in" after
20 hours of use. Having it blessed by a Shinto priest provides even more
improvement, especially in the mid-bass region.

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|
|>> Blu-ray discs sales figures are higher then HD DVD discs this year
|>>
|>> New research data released last Tuesday by Home Media Research provides a
|>> 1st look at actual disc sales numbers for the 1st half of this year,
|>> which
|>> shows good news for Blu-ray.
|>
|> That study is skewed by the fact that most laptops sold lately come
|> with Blueray over HD drives, so that becomes the motivation.  Is it
|> HT?  Is it convergence?  Also how much of that is due to having the
|> more popular titles?  I hope eventually the format that "wins" is the
|> technically better one, not the marketed or politically better one,
|> like what happened to Beta.  Nobody really benefits if the technically
|> superior one loses for political/marketing reasons.
|
| Ever hear the aphorism, "Better is the enemy of good enough?"  B/R appears
| to be slightly superior, but does it matter?  Perhaps to technophobes who
| claim they can detect the improvement in sound when a amp has 3ft of
| sterling silver power cord connecting it to the household current (carried
| by yards of lowest common denominator romax).
|
| Most home theaters aren't calibrated and most consumers aren't videophiles.
| I suspect that either HD or B/R will be superior to anything off air.  The
| market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor marketing.

At 25 GB vs. 15 GB, the advantage is in the hands of B-R.  More time at the
same compression, or less compress at the same time.  Or more data files on
your computer.

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Very true.  Again the issue will be whether it matters or not in the
consumer marketplace.  Will a movie be clearly superior in B/R to John and
Mary Q. Public?  Will the higher data capacity matter when you can just
stream to another disk?  Ultimately, I think its going to get down to price
and right now that's still mostly in the arean for the
videophile/technophobe who always leads the tech charge.  IIRC, Blockbuster
went with B/R.  If a consumer (Walmart) priced player or drive comes out
soon, it'll win.

R / John



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A supportive look back:
Betamax home video was first from Sony (1975 ) and had arguably better
quality video.  When VHS was introduced, it quickly gained an advantage by
having longer taping time per cassette.  According to one article I read,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax , RCA pushed Matsushita for the LP VHS
mode.  Apparently, the VHS time advantage was all that mattered.  I had both
machines in the late 1970's/early 1980's and it mattered to me!  Tapes cost
$25.00 each.



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| < snip >
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|> The market itself will determine the best value, neither politics nor
| marketing.
|>
|> At 25 GB vs. 15 GB, the advantage is in the hands of B-R.  More time at
| the
|> same compression, or less compress at the same time.  Or more data files
| on
|> your computer.
|>
|
| A supportive look back:
| Betamax home video was first from Sony (1975 ) and had arguably better
| quality video.  When VHS was introduced, it quickly gained an advantage by
| having longer taping time per cassette.  According to one article I read,
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax , RCA pushed Matsushita for the LP VHS
| mode.  Apparently, the VHS time advantage was all that mattered.  I had both
| machines in the late 1970's/early 1980's and it mattered to me!  Tapes cost
| $25.00 each.

My Sony EIAJ deck needed tape reels that cost $39.95 for just one hour.
At one point I had 5 reels before I finally sold it.  I had it hooked up
to the baseband output of a JVC professional monitor and had to change
tapes real fast (it involved threading the tape around the head) to record
a two hour movie (and later rewind both).  I could deal with that.  But it
was getting expensive to buy tapes on a college student budget.  The 3/4
inch cassette deck came out so I sold the EIAJ and started to save for one
of those.  Never did get one.  But they do show up on EBay every now and
then these days (as do the IVC one inch reel-to-reel pro decks I really
wanted).  I finally broke down and got a VHS deck around 1987 (and it was
toasted by a lightning induced surge in 1994 that killed the CPU on it).
It was actually a very nice deck with insert editing which I used to cut
commercials on the fly as I recorded TV shows.  I would stop the record
just after commercials started and back it up to the start of commercials
and single frame to the first black and pause it.  It would then let me
switch to record while in pause and stay paused, and then go forward at
full speed when I hit play, all done right on the deck itself to avoid
remote latency.  Playback across those edits was very smooth.

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consumer

I did a similar thing with my DVD/SACD/DVD-Audio player; went for the
Panasonic that plays both SACD and DVD-A. Now I don't care which of the two
audio formats wins.

--
Jay

Jason Burgon - author of Graphic Vision
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gvision



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What we didn't anticipate was that they would both lose!

r



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rdclark wrote:
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SACD seems still quite alive; out of 16 disks I just bought,
three are SACD. Most but not all of the others were recorded
in plain stereo ... there is no surround or center channel to
cause a need for SACD. The recordings I have on SACD span the
time period of initial recording from 1955 to 2005. The 1955-1967
ones of course are not surround, but rather three channel
stereo with a separate center channel, and play as such on the
SACD player.

Doug McDonald

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your numbers not only say the format is dead, its been embalmed and
buried.

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You can buy anything in any format ever made if you're willing to pay
enough. That's the meaning of "niche" in the phrase "niche format." So yes,
SACD is "alive" in the sense that a brain-dead person who needs a machine to
keep breathing is "alive."

Sony, the inventor and chief proponent of SACD, has abandoned it. How much
more dead can it get?

r



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Its dead, buried, and not mourned over,,,,properly mastered 48khz CDs
are indeed "perfect sound forever". Note I said properly mastered.

Another over priced Sony techno triumph,,LOL



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rdclark wrote:
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Several years ago I bought a Denon DVD player which has DVD-A
capability.  I do have a few DVD-A discs, am amazed with their quality,
distraught that there are almost no new releases worth buying, and
concerned that ultimately when I upgrade to High Definition DVD, the
player wont support the format.

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Yes, the number of releases on either format has been very disappointing.
Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" on SACD shows just what incredible
results can be acheived.

I think the bottom line is that Joe Public doesn't care much about sound
quality, and is quite happy with his MP3 download playing on his 20
speakers. :-(

--
Jay

Jason Burgon - author of Graphic Vision
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gvision



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I think that really does hit the nail on the head and is part of the
problem that Hi Def DVD is having in gaining marketshare.

First all too many average homes have TVs smaller than 50", but even at
50" if they are watching from 10' or more away, they can't see enough
difference between Hi Def DVDs and upscaled standard DVDs.

Then with the HTIB or small surround, or maybe just the TV sound, they
don't get enough benefit from the better soundtracks of the newer
HDDVD/BD encodes.

That's why total marketshare of both hi defs combined is only 1-2%.

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sad to say

You are absolutely correct.

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For those who have not yet read the news today, , Paramount and Dreamworks
have switched from Blu-Ray to HD-DVD.

Target and Blockbuster recently announced their decision to sell  Blu-Ray
only.  Now, a bad decision.




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Yes I cancelled Blockbuster because of that

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