1080p over component video standard proposed to the CEA

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There is no official standard for delivering 1080p over analog, even though
it can be done. The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA)   may change
that.

http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hdtv-articles/1080p-over-component-video-standard-proposed-to-the-cea.html

High definition analog component video is defined by the CEA specification,
CEA-770.3-rev C. The spec was last revised five years ago, and defines 720p
and 1080i, but not 1080p.

Even in the absence of a standard, however, 1080p component video has made
its way into a surprising amount of consumer devices.



Re: 1080p over component video standard proposed to the CEA
| There is no official standard for delivering 1080p over analog, even though
| it can be done. The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA)   may change
| that.
|
|
http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hdtv-articles/1080p-over-component-video-standard-proposed-to-the-cea.html
|
| High definition analog component video is defined by the CEA specification,
| CEA-770.3-rev C. The spec was last revised five years ago, and defines 720p
| and 1080i, but not 1080p.

At $66.00 to see the standard, I'll pass.  But does anyone know if 1080p24
and 1080p30 are in the existing standard, or are part of the new change,
or not yet defined?

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phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:

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Further, why is "HD Freak" cross posting all of these posts to the
alt.video.vcr newsgroup?

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| phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
|
|> | There is no official standard for delivering 1080p over analog, even though
|> | it can be done. The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA)   may change
|> | that.
|> |
|> |
http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hdtv-articles/1080p-over-component-video-standard-proposed-to-the-cea.html

|> |
|> | High definition analog component video is defined by the CEA specification,
|> | CEA-770.3-rev C. The spec was last revised five years ago, and defines 720p
|> | and 1080i, but not 1080p.
|>
|> At $66.00 to see the standard, I'll pass.  But does anyone know if 1080p24
|> and 1080p30 are in the existing standard, or are part of the new change,
|> or not yet defined?
|
| Further, why is "HD Freak" cross posting all of these posts to the
| alt.video.vcr newsgroup?

Perhaps because he thinks 1080p60 component video matters to VCR enthusiasts.

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Re: 1080p over component video standard proposed to the CEA
phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:

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I know of no stand-alone VCRs that even have component video inputs. And
computer software might be of interest to VCR enthusiasts, too, but that
doesn't mean that posts of that subject should be crossposted here.

You didn't notice the plural form "posts" was used? If so, what do
MediaMax HD Server, ZeroWire, or Panasonic's latest monitor offerings
have to do with VCRs?

Re: 1080p over component video standard proposed to the CEA
| phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
|
|> | Further, why is "HD Freak" cross posting all of these posts to the
|> | alt.video.vcr newsgroup?
|>
|> Perhaps because he thinks 1080p60 component video matters to VCR enthusiasts.
|
| I know of no stand-alone VCRs that even have component video inputs. And
| computer software might be of interest to VCR enthusiasts, too, but that
| doesn't mean that posts of that subject should be crossposted here.

I don't know of any such VCRs, either.


| You didn't notice the plural form "posts" was used? If so, what do
| MediaMax HD Server, ZeroWire, or Panasonic's latest monitor offerings
| have to do with VCRs?

No I didn't notice the plural.  I see that now that you point it out.
It certainly makes no sense to me that he cross post to alt.video.vcr.

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Re: 1080p over component video standard proposed to the CEA
Ummm..so what? Someone in your family die because he spreads it around?

I don't really get why it's an issue.

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NJM1 wrote:

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You don't, eh? Since he crossposted all four articles to six newsgroups,
all these newsgroups will have to put up with the wayward threads and
flame wars that result from the wayward threads in all six groups.

*Multi-posting* ONLY to appropriate groups keeps the garbage from one group
out of the others.

It is no wonder that a major Usenet distributor limits crossposting to
FOUR groups (which is why I had to eliminate two groups from the original
post.)

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NJM1 wrote:
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That's just poor old phil. He is an ignorant, self centered,
hypocritical blow hard. He lives to read what he types.

Matthew

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Most of our VCRs at work have component video inputs, but this doesn't
change things of course ;)

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David Matthew Wood wrote:

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Consumer VCRs, not professional VCRs. ;)

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Apparently you're not familiar with Digital Betacam and Betacam SP.

GG


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G-squared wrote:

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Those are consumer VCRs? News to me...

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|> David Matthew Wood wrote:
|> >>I know of no stand-alone VCRs that even have component video inputs. And
|> >>computer software might be of interest to VCR enthusiasts, too, but that
|> >>doesn't mean that posts of that subject should be crossposted here.
|>
|> >>You didn't notice the plural form "posts" was used? If so, what do
|> >>MediaMax HD Server, ZeroWire, or Panasonic's latest monitor offerings
|> >>have to do with VCRs?
|>
|> > Most of our VCRs at work have component video inputs, but this doesn't
|> > change things of course ;)
|>
|> Consumer VCRs, not professional VCRs. ;)
|
| Apparently you're not familiar with Digital Betacam and Betacam SP.

MLM might claim I didn't do any research (I didn't in this case), but I
would call these as definitely professional equipment.

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Betacam is not a consumer format.  Never was.

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(snip)

Actually, BetaCam IS a consumer format...as was the "M" format from
Panasonic. The 1/2" tapes were originally used in home formatted machines.
You can use the tape cassettes in home machine without problem. I have 4
Betamax's that I use BetaCam tapes in. On a side note, 3/4" was originally
meant for home use, but later that idea was abandoned and it found it's home
in broadcast and industrial uses.

I saw BetaCam HD at The Iowa State Fair back in 1998 and I can tell you the
version of HD that was on display was MUCH better than the standards
ultimately adopted that we have today.

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wrote:

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For the smaller Betacam S cassettes, the cassettes themselves are
interchangeable.  However, they are still considered completely
different formats, as the recordings between the two machines are
completely incompatible with each other - you can't make a recording in
a Betacam deck and then play it back in a Betamax deck, or vice verca.

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wrote:
 > wrote:
 >
 > > (snip)
 >
 > > Actually, BetaCam IS a consumer format...as was the "M" format
from
 > > Panasonic. The 1/2" tapes were originally used in home formatted
machines.
 > > You can use the tape cassettes in home machine without problem. I
have 4
 > > Betamax's that I use BetaCam tapes in.

I mis read the thread earlier which was why I mentioned Betacam in the
first place. My mistake.  M and Betacam took advantage of cassette
manufacturing which was already in place.

 > For the smaller Betacam S cassettes, the cassettes themselves are
 > interchangeable.  However, they are still considered completely
 > different formats, as the recordings between the two machines are
 > completely incompatible with each other - you can't make a
recording in
 > a Betacam deck and then play it back in a Betamax deck, or vice
verca.

That's fine for oxide tapes but not for the metal SP tapes.

 > > On a side note, 3/4" was originally
 > > meant for home use, but later that idea was abandoned and it
found it's home
 > > in broadcast and industrial uses.

Early Betamax used the same processing as U-Mat. In fact, Beta SP was
migrated back as U-Matic SP

We had small cameras but nothing to record on besides U-Mat. No
broadcaster _liked_ having to use it but they _really_ wanted to get
away from 16 mm film.

 > > I saw BetaCam HD at The Iowa State Fair back in 1998 and I can
tell you the
 > > version of HD that was on display was MUCH better than the
standards
 > > ultimately adopted that we have today.
 >
 > > > Betacam is not a consumer format.  Never was.

Betacam HD is limited to 1440 pixel so 1920 is scaled to fit. Betacam
SRW does not do that.

GG


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hehe  Just thought I'd mention it anyway.  Like I said though, that
doesn't change anything ;)

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|
|> phil-news-nospam@ipal.net wrote:
|>
|> > | Further, why is "HD Freak" cross posting all of these posts to the
|> > | alt.video.vcr newsgroup?
|> >
|> > Perhaps because he thinks 1080p60 component video matters to VCR
|> > enthusiasts.
|>
|> I know of no stand-alone VCRs that even have component video inputs. And
|> computer software might be of interest to VCR enthusiasts, too, but that
|> doesn't mean that posts of that subject should be crossposted here.
|>
|> You didn't notice the plural form "posts" was used? If so, what do
|> MediaMax HD Server, ZeroWire, or Panasonic's latest monitor offerings
|> have to do with VCRs?
|
| Most of our VCRs at work have component video inputs, but this doesn't
| change things of course ;)

Professional models I take it.  Are they using a recording format that
makes use of some variant of the NTSC carrier (like VHS) and thus require
re-encoding to NTSC, or are they digital that takes the raw component
directly to compression (like DV/DVC) ?

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