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Posted by Bruce Richmond on July 14, 2008, 12:45 am
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> Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >> Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
>
> >>> wrote:
>
age
>
> >>>>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:55:32 -0500, john
>
> >>>>>> From what I think I know about Diesel engines, they will burn just
> >>>>>> about any oil you can get into the cylinder. =A0I have heard stori=
es from
> >>>>>> old timers about "run-away-Diesels" aboard ship that would start s=
ucking
> >>>>>> the =A0lubrication oil and burn it.
>
> >>>>>> Has anyone here tried or know of any sources of info concerning ei=
ther
> >>>>>> making Diesel fuel from other cheaper types of ols or using them a=
s a
> >>>>>> mixer with Diesel to lessen costs. =A0(Mfg warranty has been gone =
for
> >>>>>> years...) =A0With new or used engine oil, trany fluid, fast-food o=
il, etc.
> >>>>>> does anything have to be done other than filtering it and adjustin=
g the
> >>>>>> viscosity (ad a little lighter weight oil in...) =A0(Allegedly Rud=
olf
> >>>>>> Diesel's engine first ran on vegetable oil until vegetable oil was
> >>>>>> supplanted by a cheap byproduct of gasoline production...)
>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>> john
>
> >>>>> There is a guy, named Larry, who posts on rec.boats.cruising that i=
s
> >>>>> running two diesel vehicles on used cooking oil. Give him a heads u=
p
> >>>>> and he'll gladly tell you what and how he is doing.
>
> >>>>> Your first paragraph is certainly true as 2 stroke Detroit Diesels
> >>>>> were rather famous for running away if a seal on the scavenging blo=
wer
> >>>>> failed which allowed lube oil to be ingested.
>
> >>>>> The original Diesel design was intended to run on powdered coal.
>
> >>>> So a lot of the alternative fuel people are lying to us about peanut=
oil
> >>>> being the original fuel of design for diesels and alcohol being the =
same for
> >>>> present gasoline motors?
>
> >>>> I've read some very interesting articles on how Henry Ford originall=
y
> >>>> intended his internal combustion engine to run on alcohol from farme=
rs, but
> >>>> Rockefeller paid big bucks to the prohibition movement to outlaw alc=
ohol and
> >>>> destroy his competition. =A0It all made perfect sense to me at the t=
ime, but
> >>>> if that isn't true, then shame on those people propagating such fair=
y
> >>>> tales...
>
> >>>> Bart
>
> >>> I have no idea about Henry Ford but certainly the internal combustion
> >>> engine predated him by some time. Another point is that "natural
> >>> gasoline", or condensate as it is usually called, is normally found i=
n
> >>> conjunction with gas from oil wells and thus must have been available
> >>> in the late 1800's.
>
> >> Ford was all for alcohol, as was the automotive industry as early as 1=
908
>
> >>http://www.runet.edu/~wkovarik/papers/fuel.html
>
> >>> Given that the internal combustion engines were developed in Europe
> >>> and the U.S. at a time when vegetable oils weren't that common I woul=
d
> >>> think it doubtful, at best, that the original development was intende=
d
> >>> for use with vegetable products.
>
> >> Here you go: "Rudolf Diesel originally designed the diesel engine to u=
se
> >> vegetable oils as a fuel in order to
> >> help support agrarian society, at the 1900 World's Fair, Diesel ran hi=
s
> >> engines on peanut oil".
>
> >>> Bruce-in-Bangkok
> >>> (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
>
> > Try a little research:
>
> >http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=3Dhttp://www.die.=
..
>
> > In 1892 Rudolf Diesel was issued a patent for a proposed engine that
> > air would be compressed so much that the temperature would far exceed
> > the ignition temperature of the fuel. Baron von Krupp and
> > Machinenfabrik Augsburg Nurnberg Company in Germany backed Rudolf
> > Diesel financially as well as providing engineers to work with him on
> > the development of an engine that would burn coal dust, because there
> > were mountains of useless coal dust piled up in the Ruhr valley. The
> > first experimental engine was built in 1893 and used high pressure air
> > to blast the coal dust into the combustion chamber. This engine
> > exploded and further developments of using coal dust as a fuel failed,
> > however a compression ignition engine that used oil as fuel was
> > successful and a number of manufacturers were licensed to build
> > similar engines.
>
> > Bruce-in-Bangkok
> > (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)
>
> What I provided was correct, Diesel's engine, the one that didn't blow
> up and became the engine everyone
> has referred to as the "diesel" ran on peanut oil- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Someone here wrote, "Rudolf Diesel originally designed the diesel
engine to use vegetable oils". The design may have changed to that
soon after it began, but the original design was to use coal. Stop
trying to re-write history.
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