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Posted by Michael Cecil on August 9, 2007, 1:07 am
Please log in for more thread options See if it is a PSU issue. Remove 1 harddrive, 1 DVD and every card except the video. Then try installing. -- Michael Cecil http://macecil.googlepages.com/index.htm http://macecil.googlepages.com/safehex.htm http://macecil.googlepages.com/hackingvista.htm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by kony on August 9, 2007, 2:07 am
Please log in for more thread options >>" just finished building my new rig. Asus P5K Premium MD, 4 gig Crucial DDR
>>800, Intel Core 2 Duo E6850, Nvidia GTS 8800, 2 WD Caviar Sata 2 HDD, Sata >>DVD rom, Sata RW DVD." Again, everything shows fine on the POST in the bios >>set up. >> ><snip>
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>>My power supply is an Anetc Phantom 500w and that seems to be working fine. >>Heat sink is a Thermaltake 120a. seems to keep the cpu at around room temp. >>It is very big though. You might just leave the system sitting in the bios health/hardware monitor screen for at least an hour to see if it stays stable or locks up, or if any values go out of spec. >
>See if it is a PSU issue. Remove 1 harddrive, 1 DVD and every card except >the video. Then try installing. ... going even further, strip the system down to ONE memory module, CPU, heatsink/fan, video card, keyboard, mouse, . See if there's a more recent bios and (after testing with memtest86+ to at least increase the odds that it's stable) if there is a more recent bios that seems to address anything relevant, flash that to the board. Next clear CMOS. Next set the FSB and memory to the slowest the board supports, but manually set the memory timings to what they were spec'd to support at the higher speed. Try installing XP (slipstreamed to SP2 if it isn't SP2 level yet), BUT since you're having odd file copy problems (which could mean you only needed to correct a bad cabling/connector problem but to move past that possiblity...), create two parititions on the hard drive. Format both to FAT32 temporarily and make the primary partition bootable to DOS, also creating an autoexec.bat and config.sys file(s) to load Smartdrive. An overview of the whole process and more details on installing windows from DOS can be found via Google search, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=installing+Windows+XP+from+DOS+smartdrive Copy the Windows XP installation disc files to a folder on the 2nd partition. Thus, you aren't having to copy from the DVD drive anymore. Obviously this is easier facilitated if you put the drive in a 2nd system temporarily, but if you must do it at DOS command prompt if you temporarily put the DVD drive in the system, then to make things easier on yourself you might just copy the entire /I386 directory and not worry about the other folders on the XP CD. However if there is any question of whether the DVD drive can read the disc, it might be better to use another optical drive to copy the files instead. If you were to try copying the files in DOS, since you had already configured the hard drive to boot to DOS and load smartdrive, the copy process will go much faster than if you weren't loading smartdrive first. Likewise with actually installing WinXP... after you were finished copying the files just boot to DOS, change directory to the folder on the 2nd partition and run /I386/Winnt.exe. A few moments later you'll have to decide whether to keep the system (1st) partition as FAT32 (which would result in it having a dual-boot capability between XP and DOS) or convert over to NTFS prior to installation. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Bluenose 637 on August 9, 2007, 11:14 pm
Please log in for more thread options Left the system for an hour and it is rock solid. The voltage flux a little
but not much and the CPU temp is never higher than around 80 def F (that actually seems low ... odd). I pulled all but the one HDD and one DVD plus video card. I did leave the case fans running. Still would not install (Vista). I appreciate the DOS suggestion but that is a bit beyond me. I'm less interested in just getting it running and more interested in finding the setting that is wrong or the piece of hardward that is not working so that I can do a normal run at this. My skills at this are above average, but not much. I did pull all the drives and do Vista install on them using my other computer. So I know the drives function and will work with vista. It must be something else. How do I clear the CMOS? I could not find anything in the manual (i scanned it). I should be able to clear it and use the "reset to defaults" in the bios program to get the settings back?? I think. Again, I'm not much above average here. > On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:07:36 -0500, Michael Cecil
> > >>>" just finished building my new rig. Asus P5K Premium MD, 4 gig Crucial
>>>DDR >>>800, Intel Core 2 Duo E6850, Nvidia GTS 8800, 2 WD Caviar Sata 2 HDD, >>>Sata >>>DVD rom, Sata RW DVD." Again, everything shows fine on the POST in the >>>bios >>>set up. >>> >><snip>
>>>
>>>My power supply is an Anetc Phantom 500w and that seems to be working >>>fine. >>>Heat sink is a Thermaltake 120a. seems to keep the cpu at around room >>>temp. >>>It is very big though. >
> You might just leave the system sitting in the bios > health/hardware monitor screen for at least an hour to see > if it stays stable or locks up, or if any values go out of > spec. > > >>
>>See if it is a PSU issue. Remove 1 harddrive, 1 DVD and every card except >>the video. Then try installing. >
> > ... going even further, strip the system down to ONE memory > module, CPU, heatsink/fan, video card, keyboard, mouse, . > See if there's a more recent bios and (after testing with > memtest86+ to at least increase the odds that it's stable) > if there is a more recent bios that seems to address > anything relevant, flash that to the board. Next clear > CMOS. Next set the FSB and memory to the slowest the board > supports, but manually set the memory timings to what they > were spec'd to support at the higher speed. > > Try installing XP (slipstreamed to SP2 if it isn't SP2 level > yet), BUT since you're having odd file copy problems (which > could mean you only needed to correct a bad > cabling/connector problem but to move past that > possiblity...), create two parititions on the hard drive. > Format both to FAT32 temporarily and make the primary > partition bootable to DOS, also creating an autoexec.bat and > config.sys file(s) to load Smartdrive. An overview of the > whole process and more details on installing windows from > DOS can be found via Google search, > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=installing+Windows+XP+from+DOS+smartdrive > > Copy the Windows XP installation disc files to a folder on > the 2nd partition. Thus, you aren't having to copy from the > DVD drive anymore. Obviously this is easier facilitated if > you put the drive in a 2nd system temporarily, but if you > must do it at DOS command prompt if you temporarily put the > DVD drive in the system, then to make things easier on > yourself you might just copy the entire /I386 directory and > not worry about the other folders on the XP CD. However if > there is any question of whether the DVD drive can read the > disc, it might be better to use another optical drive to > copy the files instead. > > If you were to try copying the files in DOS, since you had > already configured the hard drive to boot to DOS and load > smartdrive, the copy process will go much faster than if you > weren't loading smartdrive first. Likewise with actually > installing WinXP... after you were finished copying the > files just boot to DOS, change directory to the folder on > the 2nd partition and run /I386/Winnt.exe. A few moments > later you'll have to decide whether to keep the system (1st) > partition as FAT32 (which would result in it having a > dual-boot capability between XP and DOS) or convert over to > NTFS prior to installation. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by kony on August 10, 2007, 12:41 am
Please log in for more thread options On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:14:26 -0400, "Bluenose 637"
>Left the system for an hour and it is rock solid. The voltage flux a little
>but not much and the CPU temp is never higher than around 80 def F (that >actually seems low ... odd). Try running memtest86+ for a few hours. Regardless of the problem, it is a good idea to always do this, to be sure there is file corruption when installing an OS because if there were, troubleshooting later an error that is a result of corrupt files is a real PITA. >
>I pulled all but the one HDD and one DVD plus video card. I did leave the >case fans running. Still would not install (Vista). I appreciate the DOS >suggestion but that is a bit beyond me. I'm less interested in just getting >it running and more interested in finding the setting that is wrong or the >piece of hardward that is not working so that I can do a normal run at this. >My skills at this are above average, but not much. OK, but I had suggested it because by doing it from DOS you would've been isolating something- removing the potential that is was the DVD reading disc that was the problem. If it can't run from HDD too, having all the known intact files on it, we had ruled something out, at least one subsystem if not a particular component in that subsystem. >
>I did pull all the drives and do Vista install on them using my other >computer. So I know the drives function and will work with vista. It must >be something else. > >How do I clear the CMOS? I could not find anything in the manual (i scanned >it). I should be able to clear it and use the "reset to defaults" in the >bios program to get the settings back?? I think. Again, I'm not much above >average here. If you can't find a "Clear CMOS" jumper, then after unplugging the AC power cord (which you'd do either way), take the battery out for about 10 minutes. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Bluenose 637 on August 10, 2007, 10:45 pm
Please log in for more thread options got it. thanks
> On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 23:14:26 -0400, "Bluenose 637"
> >>Left the system for an hour and it is rock solid. The voltage flux a
>>little >>but not much and the CPU temp is never higher than around 80 def F (that >>actually seems low ... odd). >
> Try running memtest86+ for a few hours. Regardless of the > problem, it is a good idea to always do this, to be sure > there is file corruption when installing an OS because if > there were, troubleshooting later an error that is a result > of corrupt files is a real PITA. > >>
>>I pulled all but the one HDD and one DVD plus video card. I did leave the >>case fans running. Still would not install (Vista). I appreciate the DOS >>suggestion but that is a bit beyond me. I'm less interested in just >>getting >>it running and more interested in finding the setting that is wrong or the >>piece of hardward that is not working so that I can do a normal run at >>this. >>My skills at this are above average, but not much. >
> OK, but I had suggested it because by doing it from DOS you > would've been isolating something- removing the potential > that is was the DVD reading disc that was the problem. If > it can't run from HDD too, having all the known intact files > on it, we had ruled something out, at least one subsystem if > not a particular component in that subsystem. > >>
>>I did pull all the drives and do Vista install on them using my other >>computer. So I know the drives function and will work with vista. It must >>be something else. >> >>How do I clear the CMOS? I could not find anything in the manual (i >>scanned >>it). I should be able to clear it and use the "reset to defaults" in the >>bios program to get the settings back?? I think. Again, I'm not much above >>average here. >
> If you can't find a "Clear CMOS" jumper, then after > unplugging the AC power cord (which you'd do either way), > take the battery out for about 10 minutes. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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>Thanks for the help on my previous post. As a reminder here is my system:
>
>" just finished building my new rig. Asus P5K Premium MD, 4 gig Crucial DDR
>800, Intel Core 2 Duo E6850, Nvidia GTS 8800, 2 WD Caviar Sata 2 HDD, Sata
>DVD rom, Sata RW DVD." Again, everything shows fine on the POST in the bios
>set up.
>
<snip>
>
>My power supply is an Anetc Phantom 500w and that seems to be working fine.
>Heat sink is a Thermaltake 120a. seems to keep the cpu at around room temp.
>It is very big though.