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Posted by newbee on November 17, 2007, 4:08 pm
Please log in for more thread options I am running Abit Kr7a with AMD 1700 CPU and 1 GB Memory. I use photoshop and Adobe premier occasionally. Now I want to upgrade to something better, but using my ATA drives for the moment. Is it possible to use these drives on SATA header? I like to stick to ATA though as I can not afford SATA hard drives right now, but I would switch to SATA ultimately. I have to buy a new SATA DVD writer if I have to use my hard drives utilizing the 1 ATA header being provided by the Mobo manufactures now a days. I want stable Mobo with an option of upgrading to upcoming Intel 45nm CPU and DDR3 option when the prices fall. Like to start with Intel CPU(?) in the price range of £50 - 60. I intend to upgrade when more powerful CPUs/DDR3 mem become affordable, FSB1333 or better. Lots of PCI slots. On board VGA card, would save me money initially, IEEE header and LAN headers, 2 would be great. Do I have to buy a compatible PSU, what wattage would that be. Up till now I have not over clocked my computer, but I am thinking to do it now to get max. out of my CPU before upgrade. I think that is reasonable. I think I do not have any option but to invest in a pricey motherboard. Thanks for your suggestions. | |||||||||||||
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Posted by kony on November 17, 2007, 5:11 pm
Please log in for more thread options Yes you could buy an adapter board, but this adds to the cost of the build, and adding this addt'l mechanical connection reduces reliability so you are better off just connecting them to the motherboard PATA instead. >I like to stick to ATA
>though as I can not afford SATA hard drives right now, >but I would >switch to SATA ultimately. I have to buy a new SATA DVD writer if I >have to use my hard drives utilizing the 1 ATA header being provided >by the Mobo manufactures now a days. Yes, or buy a UDMA (not RAID) PCI or PCI Express PATA (ATA100 or ATA133 preferred) controller card. RAID cards typically don't support ATAPI / Optical drives but non-RAID cards do. Some RAID cards can be jumpered to non-RAID mode and/or use a different bios to support ATAPI. >
> I want stable Mobo with an option of upgrading to upcoming Intel >45nm CPU and DDR3 option when the prices fall. Like to start with >Intel CPU(?) in the price range of £50 - 60. That is not a very big budget for the CPU. I recommend you wait and put a larger budget towards at least a Core 2 Duo E2160 or E4300, but I don't know the current competitive prices on those outside of the US. >I intend to upgrade when
>more powerful CPUs/DDR3 mem become affordable, FSB1333 or better. Lots >of PCI slots. On board VGA card, would save me money initially, IEEE >header and LAN headers, 2 would be great. I recommend you stick with DDR2 for better value. 2GB of DDR2 is a nice start and the prices for DDR2 are very attractive right now. You will have to look around a lot to find a board with lots of PCI slots and two LAN ports. >
>Do I have to buy a compatible PSU, what wattage would that be. If your present system uses the present PSU's 4 pin 12V connector to the motherboard to power the CPU, it is possible you can reuse your present PSU. If your present PSU has that connector and is rated for (roughly, it depends on how accurately the PSU is rated) at least 14A of 12V current on it's label, it is still possible it can power these new parts (depending on how many hard drives you ultimately intend to run simultaneously). If the above factors are not true, you do need a replacement PSU meeting these criteria, generally you would want a good name-brand PSU of a current generation, 300W rating but a little more would be better like up to 500W... even 500W in a good PSU is overkill but for long term use and support of your next upgrade it can be money well spent since it may not cost that much more than a quality 300 or 400W would. >
>Up till now I have not over clocked my computer, but I am thinking to >do it now to get max. out of my CPU before upgrade. I think that is >reasonable. Depending on which AMD 1700 you have, it is possible it can overclock a lot. Earlier Palomino 1700 didn't overclock very far, but latter cores would typically overclock to around 2.1-2.5GHz or so, depending on the stability of the motherboard and having a good enough heatsink to keep the temps down (prefer under 60C for best o'c). >
>I think I do not have any option but to invest in a pricey >motherboard. > > Thanks for your suggestions. No, it is not necessary to "invest" or spend a lot on a motherboard to overclock and it somewhat defeats the purpose as you could have instead just spent the money on a more expensive CPU that runs faster already. Instead, spend a bit on a quality heatsink that can not only keep the CPU cooler but also do so without making a lot of addt'l noise. For a relatively cheap and good overclocking CPU I suggest the E2160, then buy the motherboard that has as many PCI slots as possible and two PATA channels. If you really need a 2nd LAN port then it may be easier to just add a network card than to try and get all these things in the same motherboard. I mean these things in addition to making sure the board also has reasonable overclocking settings... it need not be known as an outstanding overclocking motherboard if you aren't going to buy exotic memory and use water-cooling, rather it only needs to have the basic bus and voltage settings in the bios so you can get a reasonable o'c out of the CPU within an acceptible price-range since that is a concern. I suggest you browse your favorite online sellers to see which boards they have available and if any meet your needs (since I have no idea where you might find any particular board in the UK. | |||||||||||||
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Posted by John Weiss on November 17, 2007, 5:49 pm
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> I want to upgrade to > something better, but using my ATA drives for the moment. Is it > possible to use these drives on SATA header? I like to stick to ATA > though as I can not afford SATA hard drives right now, but I would > switch to SATA ultimately. I have to buy a new SATA DVD writer if I > have to use my hard drives utilizing the 1 ATA header being provided > by the Mobo manufactures now a days. You could buy an add-in PCI/PCIe EIDE adapter card for your old drives... > I want stable Mobo with an option of upgrading to upcoming Intel
> 45nm CPU and DDR3 option when the prices fall. Like to start with > Intel CPU(?) in the price range of £50 - 60. I intend to upgrade when > more powerful CPUs/DDR3 mem become affordable, FSB1333 or better. Lots > of PCI slots. On board VGA card, would save me money initially, IEEE > header and LAN headers, 2 would be great. You want too much, too cheap, with too much upgradability. DDR3 is not worth the price. Start with a current P35 chipset MoBo that will give you DDR2 OR DDR3, 1333 FSB, and 45nm CPU upgradability (Gigabyte P35-DS4 is an example). You'll get Firewire and 1 Ethernet header, and as good a mix of PCI and PCIe slots as you'll find on any ATX MoBo. You'll have to forego the on-board VGA for the upgrade path. > Do I have to buy a compatible PSU, what wattage would that be.
450-500 watts should be plenty. | |||||||||||||
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> I am running Abit Kr7a with AMD 1700 CPU and 1 GB Memory. I use
> photoshop and Adobe premier occasionally. Now I want to upgrade to
> something better, but using my ATA drives for the moment. Is it
>possible to use these drives on SATA header?