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roomba AI beerismygas 06-11-08
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Posted by beerismygas on June 11, 2008, 2:14 pm
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hi there,

was considering to get a roomba but from this clip (flash link below)
on their site
it appears that the robots movement is similar to a bump n go battery
powered toy car,totally random movements.

it says it covers a given area in a room on *average* 4 times.thats
like a car which drives forward then backward and covers the distance
to work 4 times just to get you to the offic in the morning.mileage x
4

Why wouldnt they choose to make it clean the room in a systematic
fashion? thx


http://www.irobot.com/sp.cfm?pageid=124 Cleans whole floor

Posted by B Fuhrmann on June 11, 2008, 7:39 pm
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"beerismygas" < wrote ...
> it says it covers a given area in a room on *average* 4 times.thats
> like a car which drives forward then backward and covers the distance
> to work 4 times just to get you to the offic in the morning.mileage x
> 4
>
> Why wouldnt they choose to make it clean the room in a systematic
> fashion? thx

So you would be willing to spend 5-10 thousand for the cleaner including a
system that would give it fraction of an inch knowledge of where it is in
your house and require you to update an equivalently accurate drawing of
your house every time you move a chair?



--
Bill Fuhrmann



Posted by D&SW on June 11, 2008, 9:03 pm
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It is not completely random. Roomba makes a crude map of the room as it is
cleaning, but does not cover the room in what would appear to be an
organized manner, however there is a method in the madness.
If you are questioning the effectiveness, I can attest, Irobot knows what
they are doing. Roombas work great. We have three and they clean better than
most uprights (Dyson included), without the work. However if you do want a
robot vacuum that cleans in a systematic manner, maintains a mental map of
the home and location of its charger, cleans as much as it can and then
recharges and goes back to where it left off and then continues to clean
until the entire house has been vacuumed, then check in to the Electrolux
robot vacuum. However be prepared for some serious sticker shock (about 10X)
if compared to a Roomba.


>
> hi there,
>
> was considering to get a roomba but from this clip (flash link below)
> on their site
> it appears that the robots movement is similar to a bump n go battery
> powered toy car,totally random movements.
>
> it says it covers a given area in a room on *average* 4 times.thats
> like a car which drives forward then backward and covers the distance
> to work 4 times just to get you to the offic in the morning.mileage x
> 4
>
> Why wouldnt they choose to make it clean the room in a systematic
> fashion? thx
>
>
> http://www.irobot.com/sp.cfm?pageid=124 Cleans whole floor


Posted by Bill Kearney on June 12, 2008, 12:25 pm
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> Why wouldnt they choose to make it clean the room in a systematic
> fashion? thx

The old rule applies: Good. Fast. Cheap. Pick two.

The roomba manages to do a pretty good job for a reasonable price.

Posted by Bobby Green on June 17, 2008, 8:06 am
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>
> hi there,
>
> was considering to get a roomba but from this clip (flash link below)
> on their site
> it appears that the robots movement is similar to a bump n go battery
> powered toy car,totally random movements.
>
> it says it covers a given area in a room on *average* 4 times.thats
> like a car which drives forward then backward and covers the distance
> to work 4 times just to get you to the offic in the morning.mileage x
> 4

Apples and oranges. You want to get to work as fast as possible. You want
the floor as clean as possible. Two very different goals. iRobot's choice
to cover an area more than once accounts for people saying "it finds loads
of dirt when cleaning areas that have just been cleaned by traditional
vacuuming." The movements are not random. There are several algorithms
used depending on the model, but most do a "perimeter run" to assess the
total size of the area to be cleaned and when completed, they begin to clean
a room section by section. They spend more time in areas where dirt is
detected by the onboard dirt sensor.

> Why wouldnt they choose to make it clean the room in a systematic
> fashion? thx

To be thorough and to account for the fact that a robot, unlike a human,
can't "see" which areas need more attention than others. Covering the same
spot more than once (especially from different directions) makes the Roombas
clean far more completely than a human with a vacuum can. There's also the
issue of the sidebrush, a rotating "whisker" the propels stuff from corners
that the Roomba's circular design makes hard to reach. To be sure the
Roomba catches the newly relocated "corner dirt" it has to pass over an area
multiple times.

--
Bobby G.






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