Random X10 all lights on/all units off over and over

Ok, this was embarassing. I drove home today to find all the X10 lights in my house toggling on, toggling off, on, off, on off. My house is X10 Haunted!

As soon as I got inside, I unplugged the CM11A, and the TM751 transceiver, and a mini-switch I have. These are all the devices that I have that can possibly generate X10 signals. The haunting continued. After about a minute, I tried to use one of the wireless remote controls, (which should have had no effect since the transceiver was unplugged) and suddenly everything stopped.

Checking my homeseer logs, I see a lot of noise, which I usually get, but I'm too cheap to buy a signal analyzer/filter and debug it.

12/8/2006 7:59:08 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A On 12/8/2006 7:59:17 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A Off 12/8/2006 7:59:24 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A On 12/8/2006 7:59:30 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A Off 12/8/2006 7:59:32 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Lights On 12/8/2006 7:59:32 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On 12/8/2006 7:59:34 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Units Off 12/8/2006 7:59:34 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Units Off 12/8/2006 7:59:34 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On 12/8/2006 7:59:35 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A On 12/8/2006 7:59:41 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Units Off 12/8/2006 7:59:41 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On 12/8/2006 7:59:41 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Units Off 12/8/2006 7:59:46 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A Off 12/8/2006 7:59:55 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A On 12/8/2006 8:00:01 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A Off 12/8/2006 8:00:18 PM~!~X10 Received~!~B9 (?) B Bright 7 12/8/2006 8:00:19 PM~!~X10 Received~!~B9 (?) B Bright 7 12/8/2006 8:00:34 PM~!~X10 Received~!~B9 (?) B Bright 7 12/8/2006 8:00:34 PM~!~X10 Received~!~B9 (?) B Bright 7 12/8/2006 8:00:35 PM~!~X10 Received~!~B9 (?) B Bright 7 12/8/2006 8:00:39 PM~!~X10 Received~!~B9 (?) B2 (Family Room TV ON on remote) B9 (?) B Bright 7 12/8/2006 8:00:39 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On 12/8/2006 8:00:39 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Units Off 12/8/2006 8:00:39 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Units Off 12/8/2006 8:00:39 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On 12/8/2006 8:00:40 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Units Off 12/8/2006 8:00:40 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Units Off 12/8/2006 8:00:40 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On 12/8/2006 8:00:42 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Units Off 12/8/2006 8:00:42 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Lights On 12/8/2006 8:00:42 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On 12/8/2006 8:00:46 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A On 12/8/2006 8:00:52 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A Off 12/8/2006 8:00:58 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A On 12/8/2006 8:01:08 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A Off 12/8/2006 8:01:14 PM~!~X10 Received~!~A14 (?) A On 12/8/2006 8:01:19 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Lights On 12/8/2006 8:01:19 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Units Off 12/8/2006 8:01:19 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On 12/8/2006 8:01:20 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Units Off 12/8/2006 8:01:21 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ B All Units Off 12/8/2006 8:01:21 PM~!~X10 Received~!~ A All Lights On etc etc.

I don't know what the B9 Bright 7 is, it's noise I always get from something and just ignore.A14 is the night/day unit for a motion sensor I have - not sure why it was toggling, it often does that, I should replace the batteries or replace the sensor

I'm willing to put up with noise and a generally pretty unreliable X10 system, but coming home to every single light in my house toggling is very, very embarassing. Especially since I really don't know the cause of it. Fortunately, according to the homeseer logs, it onlly went completely nuts about 30 minutes before I got home, and the wife wasn't home, so that embarassment was spared.

I have a mixture of appliance switches, wall switches, lamp modules, etc.

Can anyone suggest what it could be? I thought it could be a faulty transceiver or a faulty Cm11a, but when I pulled all of these it was still insane. I'm assuming that there's no concept of "buffering" in the units so it couldn't have been afteraffect from a broken transmitter that had been unplugged. The only other clue I can offer is that we're having a rainstorm.

By the way, searching through my log, I don't see any other time when "B All Units Off" was hit. It seems this was a unique occurence. I just dont want it to hit again in the middle of the night and have to go unwire all the x10's from my house, or change their house codes.

Thanks.

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looper
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I rest my case. :^)

Reply to
Robert L Bass

Neighbors new to X10 trying to control their Xmas display?

No > Ok, this was embarassing. I drove home today to find all the X10

Reply to
AZ Woody

Actually, those patterns look too well defined to be noise. Since another RF command interrupted the sequence, I would look for a X10 RF device screwing up. People have reported that some X10 RF devices will transmit at random as their batteries are dying. However, that would require a transceiver still plugged in somewhere to accept those signals.

Do your close neighbors use X10? If so, do you use a whole-house filter to block their X10 commands from coming in? Do you have a repeater? What other transmitters were still plugged in? You must have had some sort of line interface for Homeseer. Is there any chance the source was there?

That B9 Bright 7 should be pursued. Noise would not produce a solid pattern like that, so something must be transmitting it.

Since it was raining, do you have any motion detectors that might have gotten wet?

If you want reliable X10, you really should invest in a signal measurement tool.

Jeff

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Jeff Volp

Do you have an HCA02-10E coupler/repeater?

How far to the nearest neighbor? X-10 RF range normally is on the order of

30-40 feet.

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Dave Houston

Good point. If all X-10 transceivers are off line, then what is reading PLC codes and doing the recording to the Homeseer log? I'd set an appliance or lamp module to one of the "constant noise" codes and see if that module was activated both BEFORE AND AFTER the Homeseer interface was disconnected. That's my guess where this problem lies.

N.B. to the OP, the time has come, my friend, for you to buy an ESM1 or a Monterey. Solving problems like this without a meter are at least 10 times as hard. It's a sad but true fact. Someone used to rent them - not sure if they still do - but they're not so expensive that it's worth chasing your tail for sometimes days at a time tracking down a problem that's so easy to find with the right tools.

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

Not precisely true. All my Robodogs are set to "A1" and the front lights to "A2" because the lousy keyfobs, if twisted too much, revert to "A." It happened so many times, I decided not to fight it, but to join it. In this RF soup I live in, no neighbor is going to be able to control my RF X-10 because *I* can barely control it from ten feet away!

The Robodogs on A1 have been useful for detecting other stealth controller resets. If the dog barks when I press the first unit button on a StickaSwitch or the ON button on a Hawkeye, I know, without reaching for my Monterey, that the switch has reset.

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

Think of it as your "engine fault" light - it's not a good thing to ignore. It usually means it's time to buy a meter to figure out where the problems are coming from and how to deal with them. Right now, I'm betting that something's wrong with your Homeseer/PLC link but your constant "B9 Bright

7's" could indicate an unusual source of noise from inside or outside your home. But without a meter, your guess (or anyone else's) is as good as mine. Many disasters have multiple causes, which, operating alone, aren't sufficient to "light things up." Your "B9 Bright 7's" are probably one leg of your problem. Find their source and it could easily clear up your haunting problem.

-- Bobby G.

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Robert Green

Thanks to all. What a great community. Let me try to answer some of the questions:

1) Immediate neighbours (very close) I suspect are way too stupid (no disrespect, neighbours) to use a system like X10. Of course, some would say I'm stupid for running an unfiltered/noisy X10 system and being too cheap to buy a filter/analyzer to debug it. 2) Maybe I'll move everything away from A and B housecodes since that's where the noise came from. 3) I have no filter and no whole house repeater. 4) I thought I'd unplugged all my transmitters, but I think I actually still had an X10 Mini-Controller still plugged in. This is not an RF device, so it could have been the cause of the problems. Maybe I'll try unplugging it and seeing if my b9 bright 7's go away. 5) My CM11a is what is getting the signals to my PC, and I unplugged it. 6) no wet motion detectors 7) I really don't really care about reliable X10. I know that probably sounds like like nails on a blackboard to most of the folk in this NG, since I know the unreliable reputation that X10 generally has can almost always be solved by a filter or an analyzer, but I just am not motivated enough (at this point) to spend the money. 8) the log that I included was captured from before I pulled my cm11a.

I'll try to debug some of the noisy signals with device replacement and more careful analysis of when I get the signals. I got most of this stuff back in the day when X10 dot com was giving the stuff away - remember the $25 off $25 coupons? I made off like a bandit. :) (almost made up for all the pop-unders that followed worth it)

P.S. Coolest thing I've done with X10 - I set up my Harmony remote to send a code to an IR X10 receiver whenever I paused my PVR - it would then send an x10 message to dim up or dim down the lights. So, when I pause my show to go grab a cold one, the lights would dim up, and when I sat back down with my cold one and pressed pause again, the lights would dim back down. Unfortunately, I never got it working too reliably with the Harmony remote, so I abandoned the project. But for a while, it was very cool!

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looper

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