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You have me confused with one of the real experts here.  I have a wife that
asks "why are you too damned lazy to turn off a light when you leave a
room?"  (-:  I did have one heck of a crush on Katherine Ross from the first
version of the film ever since I first saw her as Etta in "Butch Cassidy."
She was still looking pretty good thirty years later in "Donnie Darko."
Nicole K's not too hard on the eyes, either.  But we digress.

--
Bobby G.


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As opposed to just junking the X-10 crap entirely?

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Sure, I would be happy to test it as a noise source.  If you don't have my
address, it's on the XTB ordering page.  I'll send it back after I test it.

Jeff



Re: Cause of some major X10 problems found
Jeff Volp wrote:
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OK, I'll send it to you as soon as I get a replacement. Give me a couple of
weeks.



Re: Cause of some major X10 problems found
Yup, that would be correct. Not everyone can afford huge Z-wave
systems...which have their own set of problems anyway.

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Re: Cause of some major X10 problems found
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Just to set the record straight, Bill's a Lutron Radio RA user.  They're
"the higher priced spread" and would likely be immune to Chinese switch-mode
power supplies.  The RA system is radio based and is susceptible to - you
guessed it! - RF interference.  The protocol they use has far superior error
detection to the RF used in X-10 and they also are very conservative when
estimating the operating range of their transceivers.  If you're mostly into
ultra-reliable lighting control and you have big $, the RA way sounds like
the way to go.  So far RF interference hasn't been a problem for anyone
outside of NYC, but the RF band is always getting more crowded, so when it
reaches the relative age of X-10, it may be in much the same situation.  I
doubt how either protocol fares 30 years from now will be of interest to my
cremated remains, unless eternal life is invented before then.  (-:

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Bobby G.





Re: Cause of some major X10 problems found
Robert Green wrote:
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Boy, this thread certainly generated a lot more than I thought it would!
Here's a review of what I have:
A wife (I'm keeping her!); her errant phone charger; a JDS TimeCommander+
with a TW523 plugged into an XTB (NOT II); and some old X-10 Pro Leviton
switches with soft start.

 As for the comment on scrapping X10, agreed. We will be moving to a new
house here in Houston in 8 months that will be Insteon equipped.  As for the
charger vs. Insteon, my wife reports that she uses the same charger all the
time at our other house that is Insteon equipped and I have no problems
there.

The lights that were coming on randomly, did so around 4-6am.  However, all
OFF transmissions from a Leviton wall keypad to lights in the area with the
charger were also blocked by the charger.

If anyone wants to run tests on the charger let me know.



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I had similar problems in my last X-10 home and never found the culprit.
Congratulations




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Any time it sees a 1110 sequence that is not followed by a valid X-10 code
it calls it a BSC. You're likely to see that scenario with any mostly
continuous noise source as well as with collisions between valid codes.

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Are there any WS467 switches in use? Steven Bloom documented how they are
directly vulnerable to noise spikes. I've seen more or less the same (rather
than randon ONs, OFFs  following a manual switching off of an older
fluorescent) with the LM14A.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.home.automation/msg/62d41d8a36fef5ea?oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

Re: Cause of some major X10 problems found
Dave Houston wrote:
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http://groups.google.com/group/comp.home.automation/msg/62d41d8a36fef5ea?oe=UTF-8&output=gplain

I think the switches are based on the WS467 although they do have the soft
start feature (ramp up/down). They are probably 10 years old by now. I agree
that these random on events are not caused by generated codes because my JDS
TimeCommander+ log would have shown event.  The noise was definitely the
culprit though as the problem disappeared with filter installation.



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