General Home Automation X10 Control Question

> I have an automation controller that can control powerline X10 devices by
> connecting a Power Line Interface (PL513 or TW523) with a supplied cable
> with RJ11 connectors on each end that plug between my automation

> and powerline interface module.
>
> Now the query, what serial communication protocol is used between the

> and my automation controller. Reason is that I do not really want to
> control using the powerline option due to reliability issues - rather
> connect say a Rain8 X10 device (that is normally connected to the

> via TW523 like my automation controller) directly by cable to my

> controller. Indeed can you daisy chain say two Rain8 or more X10 devices
> (with different X10 addresses) on a single cable like you can RS485

>
> BTW - the Rain8 is a device that provides 8 analogue switched outputs

> X10 control for sprinkler control. It seems logical to my mind that you
> should be able to directly connect the automation controller and the

> as both use the Powerline Interface Modules to communicate via the power
> line carriier.
>
> Hope some expert in X10 can help.
>
>

> Further to my post - the rain8 is meant to work with an XM-10 power

> interface, I think my controller uses a TW523 Powerline interface. I

> note mention of a CM11 interface. I hope this extra info helps. As

> newby, what is the difference between a CM11, a cM12, a PL513 and TW

> powerline interfaces ?
>
> Thanks in anticipation
>

> > I have an automation controller that can control powerline X10

> > connecting a Power Line Interface (PL513 or TW523) with a supplied

> > with RJ11 connectors on each end that plug between my automation

> controller

> > and powerline interface module.
> >
> > Now the query, what serial communication protocol is used between

> PL513

> > and my automation controller. Reason is that I do not really want

> > control using the powerline option due to reliability issues -

> > connect say a Rain8 X10 device (that is normally connected to the

> powerline

> > via TW523 like my automation controller) directly by cable to my

> automation

> > controller. Indeed can you daisy chain say two Rain8 or more X10

> > (with different X10 addresses) on a single cable like you can RS485

> serial.

> >
> > BTW - the Rain8 is a device that provides 8 analogue switched

> under

> > X10 control for sprinkler control. It seems logical to my mind

> > should be able to directly connect the automation controller and

> Rain8 -

> > as both use the Powerline Interface Modules to communicate via the

> > line carriier.
> >
> > Hope some expert in X10 can help.
> >
> >

> CM11 is a two ways ASCII to powerline interface and has the ability to
> execute in "stand-alone" (without being connected to a PC) stored
> macro.
> For me CM12 is a synonym of CM11 (but should be confirmed by true
> guru).
>
> PL513 is a one way powerline interface (sending).
> This interface has no "logic" inside. It means that he is unable to
> convert one protocol to an other or store and execute macro like the
> previous one.
> At least, three wires are required. Ground, Zero detection which
> provide a pulse when the 0V point is detectect on the 110V sine curve,
> and TX, which pulse an X10 "bit" (5V) when TX is high.
> All these cable are insulated from the powerline through optocoupler.
> As you guess, trying to program the correct "pulse" sequence to send
> X10 command (in binary) could be a hard work and is not (at my point of
> view) suitable for communicating between PC-MAC programs and powerline
> but more dedicate to interface your own electronic (like PIC
> controller) with PLC.
>
> TW523 is a two ways version of the PL513 (means could act as recevier
> and sender).
>
> Just for info, CM11 implement something looking like a "collision
> detection" protocol, which increase the overall reliability of X10.
> TW523 does not and seems to be unable to provide this functionality to
> the upper application layer).
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Thierry
>
> hi ho wrote:

>> Further to my post - the rain8 is meant to work with an XM-10 power

> line

>> interface, I think my controller uses a TW523 Powerline interface. I

> also

>> note mention of a CM11 interface. I hope this extra info helps. As

> an X10

>> newby, what is the difference between a CM11, a cM12, a PL513 and TW

> 523

>> powerline interfaces ?
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation
>>

>> > I have an automation controller that can control powerline X10

> devices by

>> > connecting a Power Line Interface (PL513 or TW523) with a supplied

> cable

>> > with RJ11 connectors on each end that plug between my automation

>> controller

>> > and powerline interface module.
>> >
>> > Now the query, what serial communication protocol is used between

> the

>> PL513

>> > and my automation controller. Reason is that I do not really want

> to

>> > control using the powerline option due to reliability issues -

> rather

>> > connect say a Rain8 X10 device (that is normally connected to the

>> powerline

>> > via TW523 like my automation controller) directly by cable to my

>> automation

>> > controller. Indeed can you daisy chain say two Rain8 or more X10

> devices

>> > (with different X10 addresses) on a single cable like you can RS485

>> serial.

>> >
>> > BTW - the Rain8 is a device that provides 8 analogue switched

> outputs

>> under

>> > X10 control for sprinkler control. It seems logical to my mind

> that you

>> > should be able to directly connect the automation controller and

> the

>> Rain8 -

>> > as both use the Powerline Interface Modules to communicate via the

> power

>> > line carriier.
>> >
>> > Hope some expert in X10 can help.
>> >
>> >

>

> CM11 is a two ways ASCII to powerline interface and has the ability to
> execute in "stand-alone" (without being connected to a PC) stored
> macro.
> For me CM12 is a synonym of CM11 (but should be confirmed by true
> guru).
>
> PL513 is a one way powerline interface (sending).
> This interface has no "logic" inside. It means that he is unable to
> convert one protocol to an other or store and execute macro like the
> previous one.
> At least, three wires are required. Ground, Zero detection which
> provide a pulse when the 0V point is detectect on the 110V sine curve,
> and TX, which pulse an X10 "bit" (5V) when TX is high.
> All these cable are insulated from the powerline through optocoupler.
> As you guess, trying to program the correct "pulse" sequence to send
> X10 command (in binary) could be a hard work and is not (at my point of
> view) suitable for communicating between PC-MAC programs and powerline
> but more dedicate to interface your own electronic (like PIC
> controller) with PLC.
>
> TW523 is a two ways version of the PL513 (means could act as recevier
> and sender).
>
> Just for info, CM11 implement something looking like a "collision
> detection" protocol, which increase the overall reliability of X10.
> TW523 does not and seems to be unable to provide this functionality to
> the upper application layer).
>
> Hope it helps
>
> Thierry
>
> hi ho wrote:

>> Further to my post - the rain8 is meant to work with an XM-10 power

> line

>> interface, I think my controller uses a TW523 Powerline interface. I

> also

>> note mention of a CM11 interface. I hope this extra info helps. As

> an X10

>> newby, what is the difference between a CM11, a cM12, a PL513 and TW

> 523

>> powerline interfaces ?
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation
>>

>> > I have an automation controller that can control powerline X10

> devices by

>> > connecting a Power Line Interface (PL513 or TW523) with a supplied

> cable

>> > with RJ11 connectors on each end that plug between my automation

>> controller

>> > and powerline interface module.
>> >
>> > Now the query, what serial communication protocol is used between

> the

>> PL513

>> > and my automation controller. Reason is that I do not really want

> to

>> > control using the powerline option due to reliability issues -

> rather

>> > connect say a Rain8 X10 device (that is normally connected to the

>> powerline

>> > via TW523 like my automation controller) directly by cable to my

>> automation

>> > controller. Indeed can you daisy chain say two Rain8 or more X10

> devices

>> > (with different X10 addresses) on a single cable like you can RS485

>> serial.

>> >
>> > BTW - the Rain8 is a device that provides 8 analogue switched

> outputs

>> under

>> > X10 control for sprinkler control. It seems logical to my mind

> that you

>> > should be able to directly connect the automation controller and

> the

>> Rain8 -

>> > as both use the Powerline Interface Modules to communicate via the

> power

>> > line carriier.
>> >
>> > Hope some expert in X10 can help.
>> >
>> >

>