General Home Automation Why cling to old X10?

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Why cling to old X10? RickH 09-11-07
---> Re: Why cling to old X10? John, SW Missou...09-12-07
Posted by RickH on September 11, 2007, 11:37 pm
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Why do so many here still cling to X10 when there are more dependable
mesh networks available like zwave, insteon, etc.? Reading through
the past posts there are so many war stories with X10, at what point
are these headaches no longer worth it? I waited 3 years to install
the switches/load handlers in my basement remodel, simply because I
had had enough with X10 and ACT's A10 and I knew other mesh products
were coming. I'm glad I waited and wonder why others continue to
patch a leaky boat.


Posted by John, SW Missouri on September 12, 2007, 12:07 am
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My only excuse is my x10 works ;-)

Every so often there might be a small glitch, but basically it's
always been at least 99.9% reliable.



Posted by Robert Green on September 12, 2007, 6:10 am
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> My only excuse is my x10 works ;-)
>
> Every so often there might be a small glitch, but basically it's
> always been at least 99.9% reliable.

And IIRC, you rebuilt your home after a tornado and still chose X-10 as the
protocol of choice, even though that would have been the ideal time to move
up to something different. The bottom line to the "why use it?" is that it
does indeed work most of the time and then next serious step up in
reliability carries a price tag that IMHO, doesn't compare favorably. IOW,
paying four times as much for a light switch doesn't translate into four
times as reliable.

Once I found a source for X-10 filters for $5 each, I didn't feel so badly
about factoring in the cost of a filter for all the UPSs, PC's and switch
mode supplies I run into. If you're willing to buy an XTB, a few filters
and a good X-10 meter, the X-10 world is quite tameable. Look at how
quickly Bruce solved his glitch. Sure it would be nice if X-10 were immune
to switch-mode power supplies, but since they didn't exist when X-10 was
invented, it was hard for the designers to forsee the problems those power
supplies would cause.

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Bobby G.




Posted by Bob F on September 12, 2007, 10:02 pm
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> Once I found a source for X-10 filters for $5 each,

OK. You got me. Where?

Bob



Posted by Robert Green on September 13, 2007, 12:16 am
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>
> > Once I found a source for X-10 filters for $5 each,
>
> OK. You got me. Where?

Ebay, of course. There are number of vendors who sell them for around that
price. I got mine at one vendor's 30% off Labor Day sale. Beware of the
few that don't offer shipping discounts for multiple items. I can't believe
I was paying $17 a whack from Worthington. )-: I think a number of on-line
vendors are closing out their X-10 inventories, thus the low prices. Oddly
enough, I couldn't find an equally good price for 3P Appliance modules.
More moving part and components, I assume, makes for a higher wholesale
price. Contact me off-line if you can't find any and I'll point you to the
vendor I use.

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Bobby G.





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