Upgrade HomeSeer to 2.0 ?
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Posted by George Pontis on September 8, 2005, 4:42 pm
Please log in for more thread options I have a current copy of HomeSeer and received the promotional offer to upgrade to 2.0 for $39. I am wondering if my current version of the HAI Omni Plug-in would continue to work with the new version. (I sent email to HomeSeer asking this question a week ago but no response yet.) And what is everyone's feeling about having to install the .NET framework to support this new version ? George | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by L. M. Rappaport on September 9, 2005, 12:57 pm
Please log in for more thread options wrote (with possible editing): >I have a current copy of HomeSeer and received the promotional offer to upgrade
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>2.0 for $39. I am wondering if my current version of the HAI Omni Plug-in would
>continue to work with the new version. (I sent email to HomeSeer asking this >question a week ago but no response yet.) > >And what is everyone's feeling about having to install the .NET framework to >support this new version ? > >George I think I'm in exactly the same situation. FWIW, I did upgrade. (I wish I hadn't) I think you should go to the Homeseer forums (http://board.homeseer.com) and read what others have said - actually it seems to be quite negative. The setup I am using - Homeseer 2 with NEW HAI plugin, seems to mostly work when the machine is running, but there are errors. There is a missing file and the machine is reboots a lot. Since Homeseer doesn't seem to want to run as a service, a reboot stops everything. The new web interface is pretty nice, but until this gets some stability, I'd stay away. I have got my HAI OmniPro II doing almost all of the work now. The only reason for using HomeSeer was to take advantage of its interface with the ACT I103 and its more powerful output. (I have a few outbuildings). I don't use the phone and other stuff, and I find the consoles WAY overpriced. I don't know if the instability problems are due to the .NET framework or Homeseer - the latest build is 1972. If you read the feedback under the forum message "Build 1972 Feedback", you'll see that more than a few others are having problems. FWIW, the machine it's running on uses Windows 2000 Pro... Email me if you'd like more feedback. -- Larry Email to rapp at lmr dot com | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by dicko on September 9, 2005, 8:27 pm
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wrote: >I have a current copy of HomeSeer and received the promotional offer to upgrade
to
>2.0 for $39. I am wondering if my current version of the HAI Omni Plug-in would
>continue to work with the new version. (I sent email to HomeSeer asking this >question a week ago but no response yet.) > >And what is everyone's feeling about having to install the .NET framework to >support this new version ? > >George I had quite a bit of trouble with the installation. I dont have internet access on my computer running my house, and when I need an update to homeseer, I can only plug in a modem. So much to my surprise, everytime I went to install HS2 from a USB thumb drive, it wanted to access the internet. I later found it wanted the .NET framework. Not only that, it wanted .NET SP1 too. I had to download that directly from microsoft at a friends house and install it via my thumb drive first before installing HS2. I'm not sure, it may come with the CD version of HS2 but isnt included with the downloaded version.. Once I had .NET installed, the install process died because us.txt wasnt included in the download, so I had to dig that from my old HS1 installation. BTW, I'm installing this on a celan "test" computer, not my actual "production" computer. I get everything installed, and then it wants to go back to the internet to register itself (I'm getting really frustrated with this internet addiction). HS2 is going with a microsoft type registration process where you provide some computer unique information, and the HS servers respond with the registration code. Once again, no internet, so I followed instructions, emailed the license codes and received the registration keys a day later and manually enterred them. This is what really worries me. If I ever get this thing working to my satisfaction, I'll have to go through the whole registration process on a different computer and convince them I dont have two copies running. And what happens if the computer crashes in the middle of the night and I have to wait for them to send me a registration key to get things running again. I'm not sure I'm too keen to try this. The actual program seems to run OK. I'm running build 1972, but my setup is pretty simple. Just several events, no scripts. From the little I've played with it, it responds much faster than HS1 did. Operation of the lights just seem snappier. My z-wave lights definitely work faster. Oh yeah, I've never been able to get the Updater to work at my house. As I said before, I'm on a dial up modem and things download real slowly at 28Kb. There seems to be a session timer at a minute and a half that cuts the update session off everytime I try. It worked just fine however when I carried the entire computer over to my friend's house and connected it to his cable modem. I can really see myself doing that with the actual production computer every time I need an update. I've started looking at the other automation programs out there principly because of this registration issue. Unfortunately there are only a few on the market that handle z-wave, I havent liked their human interface. So for now, I'm hoping HS gets their act togther and things turn out OK and I can stay with HS. I'm sticking with running HS 1.7 until things stabilize a bit more. dickm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Dean Roddey on September 10, 2005, 2:03 am
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CQC supports Z-Wave, and it has a far more powerful interface system than HS, and doesn't have any of the issues you are concerned about in your post, so you should at least give it a whirl before you decide. On www.charmedquark.com, go to the Learn tab, and you can go through the Quick Tutorial which will quickly give you a hands on tour of the product. ------------------------------------- Dean Roddey Chairman/CTO, Charmed Quark Systems www.charmedquark.com > wrote:
> I've started looking at the other automation programs out there
> principly because of this registration issue. Unfortunately there are > only a few on the market that handle z-wave, I havent liked their > human interface. So for now, I'm hoping HS gets their act togther and > things turn out OK and I can stay with HS. I'm sticking with running > HS 1.7 until things stabilize a bit more. > > dickm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by dicko on September 10, 2005, 8:32 am
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:03:30 GMT, "Dean Roddey" >CQC supports Z-Wave, and it has a far more powerful interface system than
>HS, and doesn't have any of the issues you are concerned about in your post, >so you should at least give it a whirl before you decide. On >www.charmedquark.com, go to the Learn tab, and you can go through the Quick >Tutorial which will quickly give you a hands on tour of the product. > >------------------------------------- >Dean Roddey >Chairman/CTO, Charmed Quark Systems >www.charmedquark.com > >> wrote:
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>> I've started looking at the other automation programs out there
>> principly because of this registration issue. Unfortunately there are >> only a few on the market that handle z-wave, I havent liked their >> human interface. So for now, I'm hoping HS gets their act togther and >> things turn out OK and I can stay with HS. I'm sticking with running >> HS 1.7 until things stabilize a bit more. >> >> dickm >
Dean
I actually downloaded the free trial of CQC and gave it a try. I came away with a few impressions 1. Its not a program for non-technical people. I had a tough time trying to figure out what was happening and in the end, I still couldnt get it to do a simple event: "if A1 received, then send B1". I assume I had to write a script but could find no examples of how to do that. Even though I work in the computer industry, I'm not a programmer and had no clue where to begin. Do you have an example of how do this that you should show me? I'd be glad to revisit it. 2. I really liked the z-wave implementation. It seemed to work faster/snappier than homeseer2. You even copied over the groups as well as the individual units into CQC which I thought was really useful. Things worked well when using the onscreen on/off buttons but again, I didnt know how to make things happen upon reception of a powerline command. It also appeared to react faster for X10 too. Press an on screen on/off button and the light turns on/off without the latency I notice in HS1 and in a lesser extent HS2. I even didnt notice the problems with the zwave USB interface that I have with Homeseer. Oh, you should make the USB zwave driver part of the download package. I had to hunt all over the CQC website to find a reference as to to where to download the drivers. Or at the very least put a reference to it on the main CQC download page. 3. CQC seems to be oriented toward AV control, which I do very little off. I just want to make lights go on and off. So I had little use for the extensive screen drawing/control flow user interface. Unless I missed something and that is where I really implement the events I want. It looked to me like I could design a virtual control panel for my A/V system but unless I wanted to control my house from the computer screen, I couldnt use it to create events. 4. I didnt see any support for X10 RF like the W800 or MR26 receivers which is important to me. Again, I guess its different applications. My overall impressions was that it was a well crafted program and an excellent program for A/V control. I had thoughts of going out and buying a wireless tablet PC and creating the ultimate remote control but thats not the application I need it for. But while it is infinitly flexible, that flexibility comes at a price. it is complex to install and program. I dont think its a program for newbies, certainly not for someone without a background in computers. dickm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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