Troubleshooting Channel Vision IR-Over-Coax
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Posted by Rob Ivy on March 18, 2007, 7:23 pm
Please log in for more thread options running an IR-over-coax system in your home. Here's a summary of my setup: I have Cat6 and coax home run from each room in my house back to a rack in my laundry room. I'm routing cable plus modulating 2 Tivos through a Channel Vision CVT2/8-PIA II amplified splitter to 5 TVs. I have a Channel Vision IR-4000 engine attached to one of the 3 unused outputs on the splitter, and I have Channel Vision IR-4100 receivers on 4 of the 5 TVs. I'm using Channel Vision IR-2105 targets plugged into the IR-4100s. I have DC blockers on the 2 unused outputs on the splitter, the 5th TV, and the cable input to the splitter. This setup is exactly as depicted in the channel vision literature. Here's the problem: When any 2 of the IR-2105 targets are plugged in, everything works just fine. I can control my Tivos remotely from those 2 TVs with no problems. However, when I plug in the third IR-2105 target, the response becomes spotty. Some signals get through but most don't. When all four IR-2105s are plugged in, there is no response whatsoever from any of the 4 locations. I know that the DC is passing to all the targets, because the bright blue indicator bulb lights brightly when they receive IR, yet the IR is not making it back to the engine. My only thought (and I'm no expert on any of this so this is just speculation) is that perhaps there is a limit to how much distance the DC can travel without weakening to the point where it can no longer carry the IR signal. My four coax runs where the IR-4100s are located are of approx 40ft, 50ft, 120ft, and 120ft, respectively. Perhaps the single 12V DC input to the IR-4000 doesn't have the horsepower necessary? The Channel Vision instructions state that 4 IR-4100s can be run off of a single engine, and that the max distance to the engine is 500ft, however it doesn't say if that is 500 feet in aggregate or each individual run. Any help/thoughts/advice is MUCH appreciated, as this is driving me nuts. Many thanks in advance. -Rob | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Robert Green on March 19, 2007, 8:11 pm
Please log in for more thread options First thing to do would be to try to get hold of their tech support. > Here's a summary of my setup: I have Cat6 and coax home run from each
> room in my house back to a rack in my laundry room. I'm routing cable > plus modulating 2 Tivos through a Channel Vision CVT2/8-PIA II > amplified splitter to 5 TVs. I have a Channel Vision IR-4000 engine > attached to one of the 3 unused outputs on the splitter, and I have > Channel Vision IR-4100 receivers on 4 of the 5 TVs. I'm using Channel > Vision IR-2105 targets plugged into the IR-4100s. I have DC blockers > on the 2 unused outputs on the splitter, the 5th TV, and the cable > input to the splitter. This setup is exactly as depicted in the > channel vision literature. > > Here's the problem: When any 2 of the IR-2105 targets are plugged in, > everything works just fine. Which two? Your 120' runs or the two shorter runs? > I can control my Tivos remotely from
> those 2 TVs with no problems. However, when I plug in the third > IR-2105 target, the response becomes spotty. Some signals get through > but most don't. When all four IR-2105s are plugged in, there is no > response whatsoever from any of the 4 locations. I know that the DC > is passing to all the targets, because the bright blue indicator bulb > lights brightly when they receive IR, yet the IR is not making it back > to the engine. Have you taken a DC voltmeter to various points on the cable? That might tell you if you've got too much of a voltage loss. > My only thought (and I'm no expert on any of this so this is just
> speculation) is that perhaps there is a limit to how much distance the > DC can travel without weakening to the point where it can no longer > carry the IR signal. My four coax runs where the IR-4100s are > located are of approx 40ft, 50ft, 120ft, and 120ft, respectively. > Perhaps the single 12V DC input to the IR-4000 doesn't have the > horsepower necessary? The Channel Vision instructions state that 4 > IR-4100s can be run off of a single engine, and that the max distance > to the engine is 500ft, however it doesn't say if that is 500 feet in > aggregate or each individual run. > > Any help/thoughts/advice is MUCH appreciated, as this is driving me > nuts. Many thanks in advance. -Rob I would try covering all but one of the receivers at a time, with all four connected. With IR setups it's very possible that stray IR light is overwhelming the system. One way to check for that is to cover up the receivers, test, then eventually remove the other three covers, one at a time. It might be helpful to cover them with metal cans while testing. IR receivers can often pick up stray EMI if the source is close enough. IR receivers are typically located near strong EMI sources like TV's. -- Bobby G. | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Rob Ivy on March 20, 2007, 2:45 pm
Please log in for more thread options Thanks for the reply Bobby. Here are my thoughts on your thoughts:
> First thing to do would be to try to get hold of their tech support.
Yep...I've been working with them but was hoping for a second opinion from this group -perhaps someone had already encountered the same issue. > Which two? Your 120' runs or the two shorter runs?
Any 2 runs - both 120' runs work if it's just those 2, or any combination of 2. > Have you taken a DC voltmeter to various points on the cable? That might
> tell you if you've got too much of a voltage loss. That's my next step, and also recommended by CV tech support. I've also ordered a line tester to see if I have a short somewhere. Hopefully it's one of those 2 things - then I'll have the issue of fixing it, but at least I'll know what the problem is. > I would try covering all but one of the receivers at a time, with all four
> connected. With IR setups it's very possible that stray IR light is > overwhelming the system. One way to check for that is to cover up the > receivers, test, then eventually remove the other three covers, one at a > time. It might be helpful to cover them with metal cans while testing. IR > receivers can often pick up stray EMI if the source is close enough. IR > receivers are typically located near strong EMI sources like TV's. Good advice. These targets are supposed to be sheilded (they should be - for $55 a piece), but that's good advice. If I don't have any shorts and the voltage checks out, I'll stick each target in an aluminum can one at a time. I should know something by the weekend - will post back with the findings to complete the thread for future reference. Thanks for taking the time to reply. -Rob | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Robert Green on March 22, 2007, 1:51 pm
Please log in for more thread options > Thanks for the reply Bobby. Here are my thoughts on your thoughts:
> > > First thing to do would be to try to get hold of their tech support.
>
> Yep...I've been working with them but was hoping for a second opinion > from this group -perhaps someone had already encountered the same > issue. Good. I sometimes forget the basics myself and it's always useful to report the problem so that they at least have a shot at it! (-: > > Which two? Your 120' runs or the two shorter runs?
>
> Any 2 runs - both 120' runs work if it's just those 2, or any > combination of 2. That sounds very much like a voltage drop problem. If you had a problem sensor, it would present differently. Whenever it was included in a combination of two, it should cause the whole IR net to fail. Apparently, it doesn't. > > Have you taken a DC voltmeter to various points on the cable? That
might
> > tell you if you've got too much of a voltage loss.
>
> That's my next step, and also recommended by CV tech support. I've > also ordered a line tester to see if I have a short somewhere. > Hopefully it's one of those 2 things - then I'll have the issue of > fixing it, but at least I'll know what the problem is. Let us know what you find. Michael's comment about wire size is probably the real key here. What kind of cable are you using? > > I would try covering all but one of the receivers at a time, with all
four
> > connected. With IR setups it's very possible that stray IR light is
IR
> > overwhelming the system. One way to check for that is to cover up the > > receivers, test, then eventually remove the other three covers, one at a > > time. It might be helpful to cover them with metal cans while testing. > > receivers can often pick up stray EMI if the source is close enough. IR
> > receivers are typically located near strong EMI sources like TV's. >
> Good advice. These targets are supposed to be sheilded (they should > be - for $55 a piece), but that's good advice. If I don't have any > shorts and the voltage checks out, I'll stick each target in an > aluminum can one at a time. I'd concentrate my effort on looking for a voltage drop so severe that the electronics stop functioning. It may take an amplifier to correct, as suggested. The fact that any two work but more don't really points to a systemic problem rather than a failed or erratic component. > I should know something by the weekend - will post back with the
> findings to complete the thread for future reference. Great. Appreciate the feedback. > Thanks for taking the time to reply. -Rob
I'm surprised so few others did. Oh well. -- Bobby G. | |||||||||||||
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Posted by Slammer on March 22, 2007, 2:56 pm
Please log in for more thread options > Have you taken a DC voltmeter to various points on the cable? That might
> tell you if you've got too much of a voltage loss. > > -- > Bobby G. Rob, I would like to add that even with a voltage drop, you may still read 12VDC when you measure the voltage at any TV unless the circuit is loaded. Attach three of the IR-4100's with their IR-2105's and then measure across the fourth output at the TV. Additionally, check and make sure all your connections are good, the crimps are solid and the braids are dressed. Lastly, there is always the possiblity that one of the terminators is bad, i.e., leaking DC voltage since this splitter is a pass-thru device but that would be my last resort. | |||||||||||||
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