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Posted by B Fuhrmann on March 7, 2007, 6:50 am
Please log in for more thread options I just received an e-mail from Eaton Electronics about their new "home = awareness" equipment. The term "home awareness" caught my eye. It = appears that someone feels that automation is not needed, just being = able to check on sensors by remote control. =20 The system are a few types of sensors (entry, power use, water leak) via = a pendant receiver that you can carry around your house or via text = messages with a cell phone. The only people I can see this being useful for is someone who gets = their kicks out of being an "early adopter" of anything, no matter if it = has a use. The equipment is using ZigBee for internal communications but it uses a = phone line to send the alerts to a central office for output as text = messages to your cell phone and you have to pay for the service. Sounds like a way to spend money on uselessness. "As an early adopter of home awareness technology, you're among the = first to be alerted of the arrival of Home Heartbeat by Eaton. The = wireless home awareness system is now available at special introductory = prices on www.HomeHeartbeat.com " --=20 Bill Fuhrmann ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C7607C.94368280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charset=3Diso-8859-1">
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Posted by Marc_F_Hult on March 7, 2007, 9:37 am
Please log in for more thread options >I just received an e-mail from Eaton Electronics about their new "home
awareness" equipment. The term "home awareness" caught my eye. It appears
that someone feels that automation is not needed, just being able to check on sensors by remote control. >
pendant receiver that you can carry around your house or via text messages
>The system are a few types of sensors (entry, power use, water leak) via a with a cell phone. >
kicks out of being an "early adopter" of anything, no matter if it has a
>The only people I can see this being useful for is someone who gets their use. >
phone line to send the alerts to a central office for output as text
>The equipment is using ZigBee for internal communications but it uses a messages to your cell phone and you have to pay for the service. >
to be alerted of the arrival of Home Heartbeat by Eaton. The wireless home
>Sounds like a way to spend money on uselessness. > >"As an early adopter of home awareness technology, you're among the first awareness system is now available at special introductory prices on www.HomeHeartbeat.com " Seems, to me, to be yet another example of the stagnation of intelligent computing in home automation. Most activity in typical HA systems is based on events and triggers (binary Yes/No data) to which (mostly) Boolean logic is applied to arrive at binary outcomes (ON/OFF, Alarm/NoAlarm) Typically, the messiness of the real, analog world is rearranged and cleaned up to simple Yes/No OK/NotOK 0/1 conditions before or shortly after the data gets to (eg) a home automation controller. This leaves the controller with only the simple task of comparing states with rules to create actions. For example, what HA controller or HA PC application actually logs analog input data and uses past conditions in a rich way to determine future actions? (I can't think of any off hand). Until recently (and specifically the advent of the Elk M1G), dedicated HA panels such as OMNI Pro didn't have _any_ analog inputs; all input was converted to binary outcomes before arriving presentation to the controller. Some HA controllers (ADI ocelot, Elk MM443) can/could read analog input and perform mathematical operations on the numerical values, but are/were still appallingly stupid with respect to archiving the data or performing anything but the simplest statistical analysis. The www.HomeHeartbeat.com Home Hearbeat system Bill cites doesn't even try to act on the data, relying instead on the home owners' intelligence to act on the data (hardly "useless", but not very advanced). Artificial Intelligence (AI) : Where art thou 50 years after you were given a name (1956) and a language (LISP in 1958)? www.neuralhome.org www.neuralhome.com www.neuralhome.net www.neuralhome.info ... Marc Marc_F_Hult www.EControl.org | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Robert L Bass on March 7, 2007, 10:24 am
Please log in for more thread options Glad you mentioned the ELK-M1G which provides analog as well as binary (on/off)
inputs. Any or all of the ELK's inputs can be set up as analog. What it lacks (along with most other controllers on the market) is the ability to archive and compare current state to past conditions. -- Regards, Robert L Bass =============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650 4883 Fallcrest Circle Sarasota · Florida · 34233 http://www.bassburglaralarms.com =============================>
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:50:58 -0600, "B Fuhrmann"
> >>I just received an e-mail from Eaton Electronics about their new "home
> awareness" equipment. The term "home awareness" caught my eye. It appears
> that someone feels that automation is not needed, just being able to check > on sensors by remote control. >>
>>The system are a few types of sensors (entry, power use, water leak) via a > pendant receiver that you can carry around your house or via text messages
> with a cell phone. >>
>>The only people I can see this being useful for is someone who gets their > kicks out of being an "early adopter" of anything, no matter if it has a
> use. >>
>>The equipment is using ZigBee for internal communications but it uses a > phone line to send the alerts to a central office for output as text
> messages to your cell phone and you have to pay for the service. >>
>>Sounds like a way to spend money on uselessness. >> >>"As an early adopter of home awareness technology, you're among the first > to be alerted of the arrival of Home Heartbeat by Eaton. The wireless home
> awareness system is now available at special introductory prices on > www.HomeHeartbeat.com " > > Seems, to me, to be yet another example of the stagnation of intelligent > computing in home automation. Most activity in typical HA systems is based > on events and triggers (binary Yes/No data) to which (mostly) Boolean logic > is applied to arrive at binary outcomes (ON/OFF, Alarm/NoAlarm) > > Typically, the messiness of the real, analog world is rearranged and > cleaned up to simple Yes/No OK/NotOK 0/1 conditions before or shortly after > the data gets to (eg) a home automation controller. This leaves the > controller with only the simple task of comparing states with rules to > create actions. > > For example, what HA controller or HA PC application actually logs analog > input data and uses past conditions in a rich way to determine future > actions? (I can't think of any off hand). Until recently (and specifically > the advent of the Elk M1G), dedicated HA panels such as OMNI Pro didn't > have _any_ analog inputs; all input was converted to binary outcomes before > arriving presentation to the controller. > > Some HA controllers (ADI ocelot, Elk MM443) can/could read analog input and > perform mathematical operations on the numerical values, but are/were still > appallingly stupid with respect to archiving the data or performing > anything but the simplest statistical analysis. > > The www.HomeHeartbeat.com Home Hearbeat system Bill cites doesn't even try > to act on the data, relying instead on the home owners' intelligence to act > on the data (hardly "useless", but not very advanced). > > Artificial Intelligence (AI) : Where art thou 50 years after you were > given a name (1956) and a language (LISP in 1958)? > > > www.neuralhome.org > www.neuralhome.com > www.neuralhome.net > www.neuralhome.info > > ... Marc > Marc_F_Hult > www.EControl.org | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Jeff Volp on March 7, 2007, 10:34 am
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> Some HA controllers (ADI ocelot, Elk MM443) can/could read analog input > and > perform mathematical operations on the numerical values, but are/were > still > appallingly stupid with respect to archiving the data or performing > anything but the simplest statistical analysis. While what you say about archiving data is true for the Ocelot, one can do complex decision making. For example, I run our garage exhaust fan in the early morning hours when the previous day was hot, and only while there is a significant delta T between the garage temperature and outside air. This simple approach keeps the garage almost 10 degrees cooler in the summer. Temperature sensors are cheap thermistors read through a SECU16. Some simple code linearizes the readings over the working temperature range so it can be displayed in degrees F. Jeff | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Marc_F_Hult on March 7, 2007, 11:33 am
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>> Some HA controllers (ADI ocelot, Elk MM443) can/could read analog input >> and perform mathematical operations on the numerical values, but >> are/were still appallingly stupid with respect to archiving the data or >> performing anything but the simplest statistical analysis. >
>While what you say about archiving data is true for the Ocelot, one can do >complex decision making. For example, I run our garage exhaust fan in the >early morning hours when the previous day was hot, and only while there is >a significant delta T between the garage temperature and outside air. >This simple approach keeps the garage almost 10 degrees cooler in the >summer. Temperature sensors are cheap thermistors read through a SECU16. >Some simple code linearizes the readings over the working temperature >ange so it can be displayed in degrees F. > >Jeff Sure. This is a relatively simple rule of the form: WHILE [Time period} IF [computed value] > [constant] THEN [Boolean result]
One has been able to point-and-click through this sort of computed rule-making using windows-based CyberHouse for a decade. But there is very little "historical data" and no "statistics" involved. And the rule might not be smart enough to avoid violating the "do no harm' maxim. For example, if the positive delta T is because there is a fire in the garage, will the system know not to literally fan the flames? ... Marc Marc_F_Hult www.NeuralHome.net | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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