Re: CFL's and X-10
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Posted by Ian Shef on June 23, 2008, 3:00 pm
Please log in for more thread options I want to add one to this list. Living in the desert, I have nine ceiling fans in my house. I have been using CFLs in the lamp assembly for some of them. In this application, the CFLs are pointed downward at an angle, are subjected to any vibration from the fan, and have a service life no better (and maybe worse) than an incandescent bulb. Thus: 8) Don't become unreliable in common household applications such as in ceiling fans. <SNIP>
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Posted by Robert Green on June 25, 2008, 2:12 pm
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> > I understand CFL save lots of bucks, and I use them where possible, and
> > I appreciate the tip but I'd really rather have the HE incandescents > > that > > > > 1) don't afflict my X-10 gear, > > 2) don't darken considerably over time, > > 3) don't care if they're cycled on and off by a motion detector, > > 4) don't care if they're installed base up or down, > > 5) dim at least two or three steps on X-10 without buzzing > > 6) don't cause "relighting" or "flickering after turnoff" problems > > 7) didn't have even a teensy weensy bit of mercury in them (-: >
> I want to add one to this list. Living in the desert, I have nine ceiling > fans in my house. I have been using CFLs in the lamp assembly for some of > them. In this application, the CFLs are pointed downward at an angle, are > subjected to any vibration from the fan, and have a service life no better > (and maybe worse) than an incandescent bulb. Thus: > > 8) Don't become unreliable in common household applications such as in > ceiling fans. I also should add another one at the request of my wife: 9) that they fail benignly, without filling a room with acrid burning plastic smell and smoke. While I realize that they aren't going to catch fire, and that electrically speaking a CFL failure is a lot less likely to blow a circuit breaker than a tungsten bulb, my wife is very sensitive to burning smells and the CFLs really spook her. That reminds me of a pet peeve: CFL bulbs that say "remove by grasping plastic base, never by glass tube" as if there's ever been enough ROOM in a standard lamp head to get your fingers and the bulb's electronics bay in there at the same time. Hopefully, in a few years, the big bulb makers will be able to develop incandescent bulbs that convert the IR portion of the light back to visible light and HE tungsten bulbs can be used in all the places that CFL's have problems. Or maybe universally as CFL's flicker on into history with the eight track tape machine. -- Bobby G. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by news.giganews.com on June 28, 2008, 11:53 am
Please log in for more thread options "Robert Green" wrote:
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> I also should add another one at the request of my wife: 9) that they fail > benignly, without filling a room with acrid burning plastic smell and smoke. I don't know where RG gets his CFL's but I've used them for some time and have not seen a single one give off any odor at all. They last a long time, cost less to operate than incandescents, save precious resources and con tribute far less pollution in the process. > While I realize that they aren't going to catch fire, and that electrically
> speaking a CFL failure is a lot less likely to blow a circuit breaker than a > tungsten bulb, my wife is very sensitive to burning smells and the CFLs > really spook her. Mine has asthma and is extremely sensitive to smells like burning. She used CFL's in her (now our) condo in Brazil for years without any of the ill effects Bobby reports. Then again, neither she nor I am on a compaign for or *against* CFL's. > That reminds me of a pet peeve: CFL bulbs that say "remove by grasping
> plastic base, never by glass tube" as if there's ever been enough ROOM in a > standard lamp head to get your fingers and the bulb's electronics bay in > there at the same time. The above makes me wonder if the author has ever seen, much less used a CFL. All the models I've seen have a rather bulky area containing the electronics. One I just examined has over an inch high module -- plenty of room to grasp and turh the lamp. However, there is no warning not to handle the glass tube. Unless there are other models with such a warning on them, I suspect Bobby is confusing CFL's with halogen bulbs. Those can suffer an early demise if the oil from your fingers gets on the glass. > Hopefully, in a few years, the big bulb makers
> will be able to develop incandescent bulbs that convert the IR portion of > the light back to visible light and HE tungsten bulbs can be used in all the > places that CFL's have problems. Perhaps we'll also develope an infinite motion device as well. > Or maybe universally as CFL's flicker on
> into history with the eight track tape machine. Better yet, how about a discussion of the relavent issues on Usenet, unclouded by personal agenda. -- Regards, Robert L Bass ==============================>
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Posted by Tom Stiller on June 28, 2008, 12:16 pm
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> Robert Green" wrote:
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> > I also should add another one at the request of my wife: 9) that they fail > > benignly, without filling a room with acrid burning plastic smell and > > smoke. >
> I don't know where RG gets his CFL's but I've used them for some time and > have > not seen a single one give off any odor at all. They last a long time, cost > less to operate than incandescents, save precious resources and con tribute > far less pollution in the process. Look at <http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-LOtKIIKcg> for a different view of
CFLs
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Posted by Robert L Bass on June 28, 2008, 5:37 pm
Please log in for more thread options "Tom Stiller" wrote:
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> Look at http://youtube.com for a different view of CFLs Let's see. The person speaking is Ted Poe, a right wing, Texas Republican. Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007) Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005) Voted YES on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005) Rated 100% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-life stance (190 members). (Dec 2006) Grant the pre-born equal protection under 14th Amendment. (Jan 2007) Voted NO on revitalizing severely distressed public housing. (Jan 2008) Voted NO on regulating the subprime mortgage industry. (Nov 2007) Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation. (Nov 2007) Voted YES on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006) Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006) Rated 25% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006) Voted NO on allowing stockholder voting on executive compensation. (Apr 2007) Voted NO on expanding services for offendors' re-entry into society. (Nov 2007) Voted NO on additional $10.2B for federal education & HHS projects. (Nov 2007) Voted NO on allowing Courts to decide on "God" in Pledge of Allegiance. (Jul 2006) Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006) Voted NO on tax incentives for renewable energy. (Feb 2008) Voted NO on investing in homegrown biofuel. (Aug 2007) Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007) Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007) Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006) Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006) Voted YES on authorizing construction of new oil refineries. (Oct 2005) Rated 0% by the CAF, indicating opposition to energy independence. (Dec 2006) Voted NO on increasing AMTRAK funding by adding $214M to $900M. (Jun 2006) Voted NO on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump. (May 2006) Voted YES on deauthorizing "critical habitat" for endangered species. (Sep 2005) Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China. (Jul 2005) Voted YES on reforming the UN by restricting US funding. (Jun 2005) Keep sanctions against Syria until WMDs are dismantled. (May 2007) Voted NO on assisting workers who lose jobs due to globalization. (Oct 2007) Voted YES on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005) Block NAFTA Superhighway & North American Union. (Jan 2007) Voted YES on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations. (May 2007) Voted NO on granting Washington DC an Electoral vote & vote in Congress. (Apr 2007) Voted YES on protecting whistleblowers from employer recrimination. (Mar 2007) Voted YES on requiring photo ID for voting in federal elections. (Sep 2006) Voted YES on restricting independent grassroots political committees. (Apr 2006) Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits about obesity against food providers. (Oct 2005) Voted YES on limiting attorney's fees in class action lawsuits. (Feb 2005) Prohibit non-legislated earmarks. (Jul 2005) Did you expect to get an accurate, fact-based assessment out of that character? -- Regards, Robert L Bass ==============================>
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> I understand CFL save lots of bucks, and I use them where possible, and
> I appreciate the tip but I'd really rather have the HE incandescents
> that
>
> 1) don't afflict my X-10 gear,
> 2) don't darken considerably over time,
> 3) don't care if they're cycled on and off by a motion detector,
> 4) don't care if they're installed base up or down,
> 5) dim at least two or three steps on X-10 without buzzing
> 6) don't cause "relighting" or "flickering after turnoff" problems
> 7) didn't have even a teensy weensy bit of mercury in them (-: