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Posted by ABLE_1 on November 23, 2007, 4:29 pm
Please log in for more thread options Looking for some input on home lighting automation systems and the possible control thru a panel such as the Elk M1Gold. Project involves a Main House with Detached Garage/Shop(500') and Studio(400'). Has anyone here actually done this?? If so what equipment did you use. RadioRa?? X10?? UPB?? Insteon?? something else?? I have a project coming up (just laid in plenty of conduit) and am starting the preliminary investigation on equipment. If anyone has does something as above how did it go. Painful or not?? Is it better to marry(interface) this equipment or better to keep free standing?? Suggestions of alternatives or thoughts pro and con. TIA Les | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Dave Houston on November 23, 2007, 8:31 pm
Please log in for more thread options The 500' distance to the Detached Garage/Shop and 400' distance to the Studio rule out any of the RF only solutions such as RadioRA or Z-Wave. None have that kind of range. I'm assuming there is an electric run from the main house to each outlier. Is it underground or above ground? My choice would be Insteon or UPB but I would want to run tests to the 500' target to decide which is best. I think Insteon has more devices (with still more coming) and will cost less but 500' might be iffy without any repeaters along the line. I'm afraid I don't understand "marry" vs. "free" although I do grasp that they are natural opposites. ;) http://davehouston.net http://davehouston.org http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/roZetta/ roZetta-subscribe@yahoogroups.com | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by ABLE_1 on November 23, 2007, 9:26 pm
Please log in for more thread options Dave,
Thanks for the response. I have empty conduits between house/garage/studio that are all for any low voltage. By marry or free I was eluding to installing a security - automation system that can talk to each other therefore making one overall system. Or is it better to keep them separate?? I was thinking as you were on Insteon or UPB but was a bit stumbled by the distance. Then I was reading some of the details on the Elk M1Gold. They have a component that will interface with RadioRa thru RS232 but their data buss is RS485 so the distance between devices can easily do the 500'. http://www.elkproducts.com/products/m1/M1XSP.htm view the install manual in small print near the bottom of page. What I was wondering is has anyone here ever done this or used this equipment?? And does it work or not?? Looking for input. TIA Les > First, I haven't done this but I suspect few have.
> > The 500' distance to the Detached Garage/Shop and 400' distance to the > Studio rule out any of the RF only solutions such as RadioRA or Z-Wave. > None > have that kind of range. > > I'm assuming there is an electric run from the main house to each outlier. > Is it underground or above ground? > > My choice would be Insteon or UPB but I would want to run tests to the > 500' > target to decide which is best. I think Insteon has more devices (with > still > more coming) and will cost less but 500' might be iffy without any > repeaters > along the line. > > I'm afraid I don't understand "marry" vs. "free" although I do grasp that > they are natural opposites. ;) > > >>Hello all,
>> >>Looking for some input on home lighting automation systems and the >>possible >>control thru a panel such as the Elk M1Gold. >> >>Project involves a Main House with Detached Garage/Shop(500') and >>Studio(400'). >> >>Has anyone here actually done this?? If so what equipment did you use. >> RadioRa?? >> X10?? >> UPB?? >> Insteon?? >> something else?? >> >>I have a project coming up (just laid in plenty of conduit) and am >>starting >>the preliminary investigation on equipment. >> >>If anyone has does something as above how did it go. Painful or not?? >> >>Is it better to marry(interface) this equipment or better to keep free >>standing?? >> >>Suggestions of alternatives or thoughts pro and con. >> >>TIA >> >>Les >> >> >
> > http://davehouston.net http://davehouston.org > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/roZetta/ > roZetta-subscribe@yahoogroups.com | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Jeff Volp on November 25, 2007, 6:14 pm
Please log in for more thread options I know of one installation where the XTB-II is being used to drive X10
signals a significantly longer distance. Jeff > First, I haven't done this but I suspect few have.
> > The 500' distance to the Detached Garage/Shop and 400' distance to the > Studio rule out any of the RF only solutions such as RadioRA or Z-Wave. > None > have that kind of range. > > I'm assuming there is an electric run from the main house to each outlier. > Is it underground or above ground? > > My choice would be Insteon or UPB but I would want to run tests to the > 500' > target to decide which is best. I think Insteon has more devices (with > still > more coming) and will cost less but 500' might be iffy without any > repeaters > along the line. > > >>Hello all,
>> >>Looking for some input on home lighting automation systems and the >>possible >>control thru a panel such as the Elk M1Gold. >> >>Project involves a Main House with Detached Garage/Shop(500') and >>Studio(400'). >> >>Has anyone here actually done this?? If so what equipment did you use. >> RadioRa?? >> X10?? >> UPB?? >> Insteon?? >> something else?? >> >>I have a project coming up (just laid in plenty of conduit) and am >>starting >>the preliminary investigation on equipment. >> >>If anyone has does something as above how did it go. Painful or not?? >> >>Is it better to marry(interface) this equipment or better to keep free >>standing?? >> >>Suggestions of alternatives or thoughts pro and con. >> >>TIA >> >>Les | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Bill Kearney on November 24, 2007, 8:03 am
Please log in for more thread options > Project involves a Main House with Detached Garage/Shop(500') and
> Studio(400'). If you ever have lightning issues in your area you may want to consider fiber cabling if you're going to run computer networking between the two buildings. Simple CAT5-to-Fiber adapters are around $100 on each end. They act as completely transparent bridges. You DO NOT want to get into trying to use serial converters. Just go with fiber and be done with it. It works and STAYS working. Granted, fiber cabling is a bit more expensive but the hassle is saves is well worth the cost. The problem with joining alarm and automation is you often get the least flexible of both. But you're not describing just what level of automation you desire. Personally, I'd want to avoid mixing the two, if just to make sure the security folks won't screw up the automation system, and vice versa. Also, is it 500' and 400' of conduit between three buildings, with nothing in between? So where would the central gear be located? Is that 500' and then 400' to each (in a star) or 900' total (in series), stopping at one in between? What climate is this (how cold does it get)? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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>Looking for some input on home lighting automation systems and the possible
>control thru a panel such as the Elk M1Gold.
>
>Project involves a Main House with Detached Garage/Shop(500') and
>Studio(400').
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>Has anyone here actually done this?? If so what equipment did you use.
> RadioRa??
> X10??
> UPB??
> Insteon??
> something else??
>
>I have a project coming up (just laid in plenty of conduit) and am starting
>the preliminary investigation on equipment.
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>If anyone has does something as above how did it go. Painful or not??
>
>Is it better to marry(interface) this equipment or better to keep free
>standing??
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>Suggestions of alternatives or thoughts pro and con.
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>TIA
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>Les
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