Justify Upgrade from X-10 to Z-Wave?
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Posted by Tom on June 25, 2008, 11:08 pm
Please log in for more thread options advantage is cost. Even with the extended x-10's protocol, it still falls short for complex applications. In my situation, I have a few x-10 recievers controlling a few lamps around the home. I basically use it to turn on/off lights in the room I'm in. I don't have a need for pre-set lighting moods (complete with the hide-away bar that appears with Burt Bacharach music that starts to play.) I really don't see a need for lighting computer interface for how I currently use the system. My house is basically square with one floor at about 1800 sf. My real motivation is to perpetuate my couch-potato lifestyle by not needing to budge from the chair to operate room lighting or to turn-off lights in another room. I'm now getting ready to hardwire wall switches to control ceiling fans and lights along with some lights for the pool area. What I'm asking of you folks here is a justification for one or the other based on how I use wireless techology. I'm not interested in entertaining other technologies and would strongly prefer to hear about just the two. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by BruceR on June 25, 2008, 11:34 pm
Please log in for more thread options XTB-IIR. See http://jeffvolp.home.att.net/xtb_files.htm | |||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Tom on June 26, 2008, 10:16 am
Please log in for more thread options Is there any reason for this product over, for example, Leviton's HCA02-10E
Amplifier/Coupler/Repeater? Tom > Stick with X10 and solve your signal integrity problems with Jeff Volp's
> XTB-IIR. > See http://jeffvolp.home.att.net/xtb_files.htm > > >> There is no doubt in my mind that z-wave is superior to x-10 but x-10's
>> advantage is cost. Even with the extended x-10's protocol, it still falls >> short for complex applications. In my situation, I have a few x-10 >> recievers controlling a few lamps around the home. I basically use it to >> turn on/off lights in the room I'm in. I don't have a need for pre-set >> lighting moods (complete with the hide-away bar that appears with Burt >> Bacharach music that starts to play.) I really don't see a need for >> lighting computer interface for how I currently use the system. My house >> is basically square with one floor at about 1800 sf. My real motivation >> is to perpetuate my couch-potato lifestyle by not needing to budge from >> the chair to operate room lighting or to turn-off lights in another room. >> I'm now getting ready to hardwire wall switches to control ceiling fans >> and lights along with some lights for the pool area. >> >> What I'm asking of you folks here is a justification for one or the other >> based on how I use wireless techology. I'm not interested in entertaining >> other technologies and would strongly prefer to hear about just the two. >> >
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Posted by BruceR on June 26, 2008, 11:32 am
Please log in for more thread options Yes, the XTB-IIR works extremely well providing a signal boost of up to
20 volts while the HCA02-10E does not work very well at all and provides a boost of no more than 5 volts. The XTB-IIR is the ONLY amplifier/repeater worth spending money on. I replaced two ACT repeaters (much better than the Leviton unit) with one XTB-IIR and the performance and reliability went to 99.9+%. > Is there any reason for this product over, for example, Leviton's
> HCA02-10E Amplifier/Coupler/Repeater? > > Tom > >> Stick with X10 and solve your signal integrity problems with Jeff
>> Volp's XTB-IIR. >> See http://jeffvolp.home.att.net/xtb_files.htm >> >> >>> There is no doubt in my mind that z-wave is superior to x-10 but
>>> x-10's advantage is cost. Even with the extended x-10's protocol, it >>> still falls short for complex applications. In my situation, I have >>> a few x-10 recievers controlling a few lamps around the home. I >>> basically use it to turn on/off lights in the room I'm in. I don't >>> have a need for pre-set lighting moods (complete with the hide-away >>> bar that appears with Burt Bacharach music that starts to play.) I >>> really don't see a need for lighting computer interface for how I >>> currently use the system. My house is basically square with one >>> floor at about 1800 sf. My real motivation is to perpetuate my >>> couch-potato lifestyle by not needing to budge from the chair to >>> operate room lighting or to turn-off lights in another room. I'm now >>> getting ready to hardwire wall switches to control ceiling fans and >>> lights along with some lights for the pool area. >>> >>> What I'm asking of you folks here is a justification for one or the >>> other based on how I use wireless techology. I'm not interested in >>> entertaining other technologies and would strongly prefer to hear >>> about just the two. >>> >>
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Posted by Tom on June 26, 2008, 2:45 pm
Please log in for more thread options As I read this thread, my brain is getting full. I'm going to look at the
XTB some more. Elsewhere on this thread, mention was made of using a real transceiver rather than the stock model. I would think that would be my first step before the XTB. Am I correct in this thinking or am I missing something? Since I'll be building my system a little at a time, I'll purchase items as they are needed and can't afford everything at once. > Yes, the XTB-IIR works extremely well providing a signal boost of up to 20
> volts while the HCA02-10E does not work very well at all and provides a > boost of no more than 5 volts. The XTB-IIR is the ONLY amplifier/repeater > worth spending money on. I replaced two ACT repeaters (much better than > the Leviton unit) with one XTB-IIR and the performance and reliability > went to 99.9+%. > >> Is there any reason for this product over, for example, Leviton's
>> HCA02-10E Amplifier/Coupler/Repeater? >> >> Tom >> >>> Stick with X10 and solve your signal integrity problems with Jeff Volp's
>>> XTB-IIR. >>> See http://jeffvolp.home.att.net/xtb_files.htm >>> >>> >>>> There is no doubt in my mind that z-wave is superior to x-10 but x-10's >>>> advantage is cost. Even with the extended x-10's protocol, it still >>>> falls short for complex applications. In my situation, I have a few >>>> x-10 recievers controlling a few lamps around the home. I basically use >>>> it to turn on/off lights in the room I'm in. I don't have a need for >>>> pre-set lighting moods (complete with the hide-away bar that appears >>>> with Burt Bacharach music that starts to play.) I really don't see a >>>> need for lighting computer interface for how I currently use the >>>> system. My house is basically square with one floor at about 1800 sf. >>>> My real motivation is to perpetuate my couch-potato lifestyle by not >>>> needing to budge from the chair to operate room lighting or to turn-off >>>> lights in another room. I'm now getting ready to hardwire wall switches >>>> to control ceiling fans and lights along with some lights for the pool >>>> area. >>>> >>>> What I'm asking of you folks here is a justification for one or the >>>> other based on how I use wireless techology. I'm not interested in >>>> entertaining other technologies and would strongly prefer to hear about >>>> just the two. >>>> >>> >>> >>
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> x-10's advantage is cost. Even with the extended x-10's protocol, it
> still falls short for complex applications. In my situation, I have a
> few x-10 recievers controlling a few lamps around the home. I
> basically use it to turn on/off lights in the room I'm in. I don't
> have a need for pre-set lighting moods (complete with the hide-away
> bar that appears with Burt Bacharach music that starts to play.) I
> really don't see a need for lighting computer interface for how I
> currently use the system. My house is basically square with one floor
> at about 1800 sf. My real motivation is to perpetuate my couch-potato
> lifestyle by not needing to budge from the chair to operate room
> lighting or to turn-off lights in another room. I'm now getting ready
> to hardwire wall switches to control ceiling fans and lights along
> with some lights for the pool area.
>
> What I'm asking of you folks here is a justification for one or the
> other based on how I use wireless techology. I'm not interested in
> entertaining other technologies and would strongly prefer to hear
> about just the two.
>