General Home Automation Home Wiring Question

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Home Wiring Question Jim 12-25-07
Posted by Jim on December 25, 2007, 5:26 pm
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I (actually SWMBO) want to put an mid room outlet in a slab floor. Plan is
to remove the existing flooring (tile) and trench to a nearby wall outlet.
I am assuming that current Elec. Code requires conduit in concrete.
Anything else I should be aware of? I know the area is clear of embedded
pipes.

Thanks



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Posted by BruceR on December 26, 2007, 12:24 am
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If you cut all the way through the slab you may need to make a few cross
cuts to embed rebar ties. Speak to a concrete contractor for the
specifics. If you need to do it and don't you could end up with cracks
in a number of places.

Jim wrote:
> I (actually SWMBO) want to put an mid room outlet in a slab floor.
> Plan is to remove the existing flooring (tile) and trench to a nearby
> wall outlet. I am assuming that current Elec. Code requires conduit
> in concrete. Anything else I should be aware of? I know the area is
> clear of embedded pipes.
>
> Thanks



Posted by Lewis Gardner on December 26, 2007, 2:51 am
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Jim wrote:
> I (actually SWMBO) want to put an mid room outlet in a slab floor. Plan is
> to remove the existing flooring (tile) and trench to a nearby wall outlet.
> I am assuming that current Elec. Code requires conduit in concrete.
> Anything else I should be aware of? I know the area is clear of embedded
> pipes.

You might want to check out mineral insulated (MI or MICC) cable. It can
be directly embedded near the surface of concrete and has very good
current carrying capacity. I think MI cable for a 15 amp circuit is
about 1/4" in diameter so a 3/8" x 3/8" cut would be sufficient. As
always you need to check with the AHJ before using exotic materials.

This is a specialty item and fairly expensive. www.micable.com has a
price quote form and it might be worth the extra cable expense if you
can make a small trench that does not tear up the floor.

Posted by Dave Houston on December 30, 2007, 12:08 am
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What part of "Code requires conduit in concrete" did you not understand?


>>Code requires conduit in concrete.

>You might want to check out mineral insulated (MI or MICC) cable.

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Posted by Lewis Gardner on December 30, 2007, 3:00 am
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Dave Houston wrote:
> What part of "Code requires conduit in concrete" did you not understand?

I understand the NEC. I have no idea if Jim@nospam.nospam knows what he
is talking about when he says "Code requires conduit in concrete". My
point is that MI cable is quite small and can be put into masonry
without having to remove as much material as required by other products.

The relevant part of the NEC is:

330-3 Uses Permitted. Type MI cable shall be permitted as follows:

(6) Embedded in plaster, concrete, fill or other masonry, whether above
or below grade.

Look it up. It is cool stuff.

When I suggested that you might have better things to do with your time
a sudden interest in wiring methods did not spring to mind...

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