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Posted by Bugga on May 29, 2007, 12:50 pm
Please log in for more thread options This is my first post in this group, I'll try to be as brief as possible. We are AV integrators here in Ca... we have come accross a few whole- house EIB systems being installed by a startup company run by a couple guys from Germany. They use Gira products exclusively and focus mainly on lighting control. This is our situation... Our installations consist of mainly high-end Crestron systems. The challenge we are facing is integrating the lighting control with the Crestron processor, essentially marrying the two platforms so the Client can enjoy whole-house control from installed interfaces and remotes. We have sat in on numeous meetings with these guys installing the Gira equipment, I have repeatedly asked for clarification on how to control their gear. All we get is empty hype with no real content-- these guys I believe do not actually know the answers. They bring a programmer in from Germany to set up their installations. We have talked with the programmer but the cultural and language barriers make it difficult to absorb anything useful. I know we can use RS232, IR and ethernet protocols to communicate with the EIB stuff, however what we need is the code and code/logic structure, basically some sort of tutorial to get us moving in the right direction. I would like to find a download (English) of the programming software to at least familliarize myself with the programming logic. We aren't looking to mess with the Gira guys, simply to help our Clients. Virtually ALL of the Clients that have contracted with these Gira guys have been left with long punchlists of problems and systems nobody can program except. One Client has a new 9000 sq ft home utilizing Gira lighting/HVAC/cameras/intercoms/bio-entry/etc. and nothing but the lighting works. We installed the AV system but cannot help him with the Gira stuff because we cannot get answers. His is preparing a lawsuit as a result of this disaster. My questions here are, Where can we find a good tutorial to help us understand the EIB platform? where do we start as far as getting information on the workings of this Gira equipment? Where can we get the programming info we need to control it with Crestron (or PC)? Where can we download an English Gira catalog for product descriptions? All this I would say is vital for us (and our Clients) at this point. Any help here would be fantastic. We would certainly reciprocate in any way we can. Thanks, Rick | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Dave Houston on May 29, 2007, 1:16 pm
Please log in for more thread options http://www.konnex.org Have you tried starting at the source? http://www.gira.com | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Dave Houston on May 29, 2007, 1:46 pm
Please log in for more thread options This guy might be able to help you find what you need.
http://hiddenwires.co.uk/resourcesarticles2006/articles20060103-04.html >Greetings,
> >This is my first post in this group, I'll try to be as brief as >possible. > >We are AV integrators here in Ca... we have come accross a few whole- >house EIB systems being installed by a startup company run by a couple >guys from Germany. They use Gira products exclusively and focus mainly >on lighting control. > >This is our situation... > >Our installations consist of mainly high-end Crestron systems. The >challenge we are facing is integrating the lighting control with the >Crestron processor, essentially marrying the two platforms so the >Client can enjoy whole-house control from installed interfaces and >remotes. > >We have sat in on numeous meetings with these guys installing the Gira >equipment, I have repeatedly asked for clarification on how to control >their gear. All we get is empty hype with no real content-- these guys >I believe do not actually know the answers. They bring a programmer in >from Germany to set up their installations. We have talked with the >programmer but the cultural and language barriers make it difficult to >absorb anything useful. > >I know we can use RS232, IR and ethernet protocols to communicate with >the EIB stuff, however what we need is the code and code/logic >structure, basically some sort of tutorial to get us moving in the >right direction. I would like to find a download (English) of the >programming software to at least familliarize myself with the >programming logic. > >We aren't looking to mess with the Gira guys, simply to help our >Clients. Virtually ALL of the Clients that have contracted with these >Gira guys have been left with long punchlists of problems and systems >nobody can program except. One Client has a new 9000 sq ft home >utilizing Gira lighting/HVAC/cameras/intercoms/bio-entry/etc. and >nothing but the lighting works. We installed the AV system but cannot >help him with the Gira stuff because we cannot get answers. His is >preparing a lawsuit as a result of this disaster. > >My questions here are, > >Where can we find a good tutorial to help us understand the EIB >platform? > >where do we start as far as getting information on the workings of >this Gira equipment? > >Where can we get the programming info we need to control it with >Crestron (or PC)? > >Where can we download an English Gira catalog for product >descriptions? > >All this I would say is vital for us (and our Clients) at this point. >Any help here would be fantastic. We would certainly reciprocate in >any way we can. > >Thanks, > >Rick | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by me@home on May 31, 2007, 2:19 pm
Please log in for more thread options I've learned how to handle the stuff at first by reading a (dutch) course
about ETS v2 and by using the ETS starter edition. Since that one is really limited, I moved on to ETS Pro. This stuff you basically need to program the devices. http://www.konnex.org/knx-tools/ets/ets-tester-starter/ Since then I've found some documents that explain about the protocol. There is a lot of information available on EIB, but not very well strutured I have to say. There are official docs, but they are not (all) for free. Personnally I use a BCU2 (FT1.2 protocol) to connect to the EIB bus and I use a home brewn variant of leibnix and eibd to talk to my EIB components. http://www.leibnix.de/ https://www.auto.tuwien.ac.at/~mkoegler/index.php/eibd Eddy > Greetings,
> > This is my first post in this group, I'll try to be as brief as > possible. > > We are AV integrators here in Ca... we have come accross a few whole- > house EIB systems being installed by a startup company run by a couple > guys from Germany. They use Gira products exclusively and focus mainly > on lighting control. > > This is our situation... > > Our installations consist of mainly high-end Crestron systems. The > challenge we are facing is integrating the lighting control with the > Crestron processor, essentially marrying the two platforms so the > Client can enjoy whole-house control from installed interfaces and > remotes. > > We have sat in on numeous meetings with these guys installing the Gira > equipment, I have repeatedly asked for clarification on how to control > their gear. All we get is empty hype with no real content-- these guys > I believe do not actually know the answers. They bring a programmer in > from Germany to set up their installations. We have talked with the > programmer but the cultural and language barriers make it difficult to > absorb anything useful. > > I know we can use RS232, IR and ethernet protocols to communicate with > the EIB stuff, however what we need is the code and code/logic > structure, basically some sort of tutorial to get us moving in the > right direction. I would like to find a download (English) of the > programming software to at least familliarize myself with the > programming logic. > > We aren't looking to mess with the Gira guys, simply to help our > Clients. Virtually ALL of the Clients that have contracted with these > Gira guys have been left with long punchlists of problems and systems > nobody can program except. One Client has a new 9000 sq ft home > utilizing Gira lighting/HVAC/cameras/intercoms/bio-entry/etc. and > nothing but the lighting works. We installed the AV system but cannot > help him with the Gira stuff because we cannot get answers. His is > preparing a lawsuit as a result of this disaster. > > My questions here are, > > Where can we find a good tutorial to help us understand the EIB > platform? > > where do we start as far as getting information on the workings of > this Gira equipment? > > Where can we get the programming info we need to control it with > Crestron (or PC)? > > Where can we download an English Gira catalog for product > descriptions? > > All this I would say is vital for us (and our Clients) at this point. > Any help here would be fantastic. We would certainly reciprocate in > any way we can. > > Thanks, > > Rick > | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Bugga on May 31, 2007, 2:58 pm
Please log in for more thread options Interesting... thanks. This appears to be very challenging with the
language/culture barrier. I was able to find a Crestron device to control the EIB gear through RS232 from Crestron International in Belgium. The part number is CB-EIB. I also received a SIMPL module as well. I prefer not to purchase programming software as my intention is not to actually program EIB systems, rather learn about the architecture and logic to facillitate the Crestron/EIB communication. A manual or programming guide of some sort would be helpful if it exists. -bugga > I've learned how to handle the stuff at first by reading a (dutch) course
components.http://www.leibnix.de/https://www.auto.tuwien.ac.at/~mkoegler/index.php/eibd
> about ETS v2 and by using the ETS starter edition. Since that one is really > limited, I moved on to ETS Pro. This stuff you basically need to program > the devices.http://www.konnex.org/knx-tools/ets/ets-tester-starter/ > > Since then I've found some documents that explain about the protocol. There > is a lot of information available on EIB, but not very well strutured I have > to say. There are official docs, but they are not (all) for free. > > Personnally I use a BCU2 (FT1.2 protocol) to connect to the EIB bus and I > use a home brewn variant of leibnix and eibd to talk to my EIB >
> Eddy > > > > > > Greetings,
>
> > This is my first post in this group, I'll try to be as brief as
> > possible. >
> > We are AV integrators here in Ca... we have come accross a few whole-
> > house EIB systems being installed by a startup company run by a couple > > guys from Germany. They use Gira products exclusively and focus mainly > > on lighting control. >
> > This is our situation...
>
> > Our installations consist of mainly high-end Crestron systems. The
> > challenge we are facing is integrating the lighting control with the > > Crestron processor, essentially marrying the two platforms so the > > Client can enjoy whole-house control from installed interfaces and > > remotes. >
> > We have sat in on numeous meetings with these guys installing the Gira
> > equipment, I have repeatedly asked for clarification on how to control > > their gear. All we get is empty hype with no real content-- these guys > > I believe do not actually know the answers. They bring a programmer in > > from Germany to set up their installations. We have talked with the > > programmer but the cultural and language barriers make it difficult to > > absorb anything useful. >
> > I know we can use RS232, IR and ethernet protocols to communicate with
> > the EIB stuff, however what we need is the code and code/logic > > structure, basically some sort of tutorial to get us moving in the > > right direction. I would like to find a download (English) of the > > programming software to at least familliarize myself with the > > programming logic. >
> > We aren't looking to mess with the Gira guys, simply to help our
> > Clients. Virtually ALL of the Clients that have contracted with these > > Gira guys have been left with long punchlists of problems and systems > > nobody can program except. One Client has a new 9000 sq ft home > > utilizing Gira lighting/HVAC/cameras/intercoms/bio-entry/etc. and > > nothing but the lighting works. We installed the AV system but cannot > > help him with the Gira stuff because we cannot get answers. His is > > preparing a lawsuit as a result of this disaster. >
> > My questions here are,
>
> > Where can we find a good tutorial to help us understand the EIB
> > platform? >
> > where do we start as far as getting information on the workings of
> > this Gira equipment? >
> > Where can we get the programming info we need to control it with
> > Crestron (or PC)? >
> > Where can we download an English Gira catalog for product
> > descriptions? >
> > All this I would say is vital for us (and our Clients) at this point.
> > Any help here would be fantastic. We would certainly reciprocate in > > any way we can. >
> > Thanks,
>
> > Rick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text - | ||||||||||||||||||||||
>
>This is my first post in this group, I'll try to be as brief as
>possible.
>
>We are AV integrators here in Ca... we have come accross a few whole-
>house EIB systems being installed by a startup company run by a couple
>guys from Germany. They use Gira products exclusively and focus mainly
>on lighting control.
>
>This is our situation...
>
>Our installations consist of mainly high-end Crestron systems. The
>challenge we are facing is integrating the lighting control with the
>Crestron processor, essentially marrying the two platforms so the
>Client can enjoy whole-house control from installed interfaces and
>remotes.
>
>We have sat in on numeous meetings with these guys installing the Gira
>equipment, I have repeatedly asked for clarification on how to control
>their gear. All we get is empty hype with no real content-- these guys
>I believe do not actually know the answers. They bring a programmer in
>from Germany to set up their installations. We have talked with the
>programmer but the cultural and language barriers make it difficult to
>absorb anything useful.
>
>I know we can use RS232, IR and ethernet protocols to communicate with
>the EIB stuff, however what we need is the code and code/logic
>structure, basically some sort of tutorial to get us moving in the
>right direction. I would like to find a download (English) of the
>programming software to at least familliarize myself with the
>programming logic.
>
>We aren't looking to mess with the Gira guys, simply to help our
>Clients. Virtually ALL of the Clients that have contracted with these
>Gira guys have been left with long punchlists of problems and systems
>nobody can program except. One Client has a new 9000 sq ft home
>utilizing Gira lighting/HVAC/cameras/intercoms/bio-entry/etc. and
>nothing but the lighting works. We installed the AV system but cannot
>help him with the Gira stuff because we cannot get answers. His is
>preparing a lawsuit as a result of this disaster.
>
>My questions here are,
>
>Where can we find a good tutorial to help us understand the EIB
>platform?
>
>where do we start as far as getting information on the workings of
>this Gira equipment?
>
>Where can we get the programming info we need to control it with
>Crestron (or PC)?
>
>Where can we download an English Gira catalog for product
>descriptions?
>
>All this I would say is vital for us (and our Clients) at this point.
>Any help here would be fantastic. We would certainly reciprocate in
>any way we can.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rick