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Add a lot of X10 or Insteon to a big installation? Mitch 05-01-08
Posted by Mitch on May 1, 2008, 12:02 pm
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I have about 50-60 X10 modules (a lot are smarthome, some are Leviton)
in my house and have added an addition. I'll need to add another 50
or so with about 20 of them being relays for fluorescent lights.

I've considered using Insteon for the new areas of the house. But,
I'm concerned that the signal suck from 50 Insteon devices will kill
my X10 reliability (even though I have an XTB-IIR).

One issue with using X10 is that Leviton non-dimming switches
(HCS10-1SW) are EXPENSIVE (relative to Insteon non-dimmers. )

I did find some decent pricing on some PCS switches (RS115) -- anyone
have an opinion on these switches?

So... what would you suggest?

- Stick with X10 and use PCS switches
- Stick with X10 and buy the leviton switches even though they're
expensive
- Go with Insteon for the new stuff (all -- dimming and non-dimming)
- Go with Insteon for just the non-dimming switches

Thanks for your help!

Mitch

Posted by RickH on May 5, 2008, 1:42 pm
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> I have about 50-60 X10 modules (a lot are smarthome, some are Leviton)
> in my house and have added an addition. =A0I'll need to add another 50
> or so with about 20 of them being relays for fluorescent lights.
>
> I've considered using Insteon for the new areas of the house. =A0But,
> I'm concerned that the signal suck from 50 Insteon devices will kill
> my X10 reliability (even though I have an XTB-IIR).
>
> One issue with using X10 is that Leviton non-dimming switches
> (HCS10-1SW) are EXPENSIVE (relative to Insteon non-dimmers. )
>
> I did find some decent pricing on some PCS switches (RS115) -- anyone
> have an opinion on these switches?
>
> So... what would you suggest?
>
> - Stick with X10 and use PCS switches
> - Stick with X10 and buy the leviton switches even though they're
> expensive
> - Go with Insteon for the new stuff (all -- dimming and non-dimming)
> - Go with Insteon for just the non-dimming switches
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Mitch

I'm running 60 Insteon devices and my pre-existing X10 devices were
not affected. I have no X10 signal amp, repeaters, filters or passive
bridge. But all the Insteaon devices are on a separate 8 breaker 60
amp electrical sub-panel feeding a basement remodel and home
addition. All the old X10 is on the main home panel branches. It
seems ok to mix these two technologies, especially since the Insteon
devices are bi-prototol. I have not experienced signal suck, yet I
have up to 12 devices on some of the breakers.


Posted by BruceR on May 6, 2008, 2:23 pm
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Mitch wrote:
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> In addition to the 40 or so Insteon switches, how may X10 devices do
> you have? I could probably keep my implementation to under 40 Insteon
> by using X10 dimmers wherever I can.
>
> Any experience with the PCS relay switches (RS115)?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Mitch

Mitch, I just did a count and I actually have 55 Insteon devices plus a
few controllers and probably less than five X10 devices left. I've
never used the PCS switches due to their cost. Your best bet might be
the Insteon switches if the 6291's won't do it for you. The Insteon
switches will work as X10 until you're ready to step up to Insteon
control. Smarthome will give you $5 back for every Insteon switch you
buy if for each X10 switch (working or not) you send back.



Posted by Mitch on May 8, 2008, 1:28 pm
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> Mitch wrote:
>
> snip
>
>
>
> > In addition to the 40 or so Insteon switches, how may X10 devices do
> > you have? I could probably keep my implementation to under 40 Insteon
> > by using X10 dimmers wherever I can.
>
> > Any experience with the PCS relay switches (RS115)?
>
> > Thanks again!
>
> > Mitch
>
> Mitch, I just did a count and I actually have 55 Insteon devices plus a
> few controllers and probably less than five X10 devices left. I've
> never used the PCS switches due to their cost. Your best bet might be
> the Insteon switches if the 6291's won't do it for you. The Insteon
> switches will work as X10 until you're ready to step up to Insteon
> control. Smarthome will give you $5 back for every Insteon switch you
> buy if for each X10 switch (working or not) you send back.

Ok, so do you think I should add all Insteon in the new section
(relays and dimmers) or stick with X10 for the dimmer to keep the
number of signal suckers to a minimum?

Many thanks for your help, Bruce!

Mitch

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