Re: SATA II Harddisks ?
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Posted by Skybuck Flying on July 4, 2005, 2:38 am
Please log in for more thread options > could be lot's of fun everytime you start your pc.
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> > I could say something like: "welcome skybuck" :) > > Anyway that's just way cool and I want to see it in action ;) > > 2. Best performance in AMD/NVidia 4 corner occording to many websites... > which is not too surprising looking at the facts/theory: > > Athlon x2 4800+ fastest... occording to benchmarks. > > Theory: > > SLI can support two graphics cards. > > DDR memory has lower latency than DDRII memory. > > Athlon X2 has onboard memory controller halving the latency even further. > > 3. Software optimization guide... > > AMD's software optimization guide was clear, short and straight to the > point... > > However it didn't go into the multi threading stuff that much etc... > > Intel looked at it from a little bit higher view... focusing more on > threading and cache stuff etc... > The general impression was that software would have to be optimized a lot > for the intel processor to achieve more performance which might be a > bit too much to ask for programmers etc... In the end the software has to
be
> able to run on AMD and INTEL processors as well as possible. Though intel
to
> did provide some very interesting examples for 3d engines etc... ;) > > So in short AMD's software optimization guide was pretty simple and easy > follow but I also kinda liked the intel software optimization guide ;)
sometime.
> though a bit more complex and harder to follow ;) > > What I don't like about intel stuff is the following stuff: > > - No cool bios voice stuff.. just the normal (pretty stupid beeping :)) > which is a big turn off for me lol :D... zero innovation ;) > > - Much higher power/watt/ampere requirements etc... more expensive for > electril bill and needs big expensive power unit... > > Though intel has some little points going (possibly) > > + 8 GB ram support (but no 2 GB ram chips available ?) > + SATA II support (nvidia nforce 4 is only sata I support ?) > + Asus is using passive cooling for some chips... (not sure what nvidia > nforce 4 boards are using ?) > > This last point is something I am definetly going to look further into > because I just fucking hate cooling fans since they attract lot's of dust > and make noise etc... I fucking hate em ;) > I live in a very dustry environment ;) > > Though I never cleaned my pentium III cooling fan and it's still working > after 5 years which is pretty amazing... I did blow off some dust > My power fan having has to be cleaned at least once in two years etc.
fear
> > So I wonder if any cooling fans are sleave or ball bearing... The sleave > bearing fans are probably worse because dust can get inside of them... the > cpu fan is probably a ball bearing fan which probably explains why it is > still going strong ;) > > However having everything passively cooled invokes fear inside of me... > that not enough air flow is inside the motherboard... heat building up and
flash
> chips dieing ;) I do have a fanless video card (fx5200) and it's still > working... it too is passively cooled. > > The biggest drawback for AMD/Athlon x2 4800+ is the bios problem... a > is needed.
it
> > + So having a intel motherboard which works right out of the box which is > available too is a big plus ;) > > + Also the intel motherboard supports DDR2 memory... will this is slower > is the future of memory chips so probably not much to worry about
future
> availability of those chips.. However I plan to buy as much memory as > possible so for me it's not a problem... unless the chips die in the > ;)
box.
> > So the asus intel motherboards have some strong points going for them ;) > (P5WD2 Premium (asus/intel/intel) vs A8N-SLI deluxe (asus/amd/nvidia) ) > > 1. Immediate availability of motherboard and processor right out of the > 2. Passive cooling of motherboard chips. (I think the processor still has
a
> fan which might be good for a little bit of airflow ? However passive
longhorn...
> cooling for the cpu might be very impressive too ;) ) > 3. DDR II memory chips (slower but the future) > 4. SATA II support > 5. Possibly 8 GB ram support ? I expect 4 GB of ram to be enough for the > coming 5 years. The pc will probably last 5 years... then it would need > replacing to keep up with the games ;) > (Within a year I expect the minimum ammount of ram to be 1GB for > even 2 GB for gaming... then slowly it will go up to 4 GB after a couple
of
> years ;) ) so I think 8 GB of ram could be too much for the coming 5 years
automatically
> ;) however... it never hurts to have extra memory ;) > 6. Better realtek codec 882d high definition (audio) > > I am a little bit worried about the AI NOS feature... it will > overclock the system if a game needs more performance... I am worried
about
> overheating or crashes...
Hmmm this feature can be disabled which makes me feel all cousy and warm inside =D http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzg2 Now I like this feature since this could even give more gaming performance ?!! hmmmm... going to read this review some more ;) See you.. >
consuming
> Well it's a though decision... > > There is one more thing ofcourse... the intel pentium 4 extreme processor > acts like 4 cpu's... which could be better in case windows xp 64 bit has > many threads running at once... hyper threading tries to use parts of a > processor which are not used by other threads ;) > > On one hand we have this overheating nvidia nforce 4 sli chip... but maybe > it only overheats with two graphics cards... but a cooler athlon x2 > processor ? > at least it uses less power... > > On the other hand we have this cooler intel chipset ?? passively cool... > which could get a bit hotter but ok... but also a pretty hot power > processor ? ;) hmmmmmmmmm. Which requires a power consuming psu which also
athlon
> could get quit hot... hmmmmmmmmm... :) > > If asus would come out with a new motherboard which would support the > x2 processor out of the box and maybe with passive cooling for the
new
> chipsets... then I would be sold ;) and go for it =D add in 8 GB of ram > support and maybe sata II support <- but maybe that s not possible with > nvidia nforce 4 chipset... and it s even a better deal ;) oh yeah and > ofcourse the better realtek audio.. however I will probably get an > additional sound card for extra fps or maybe not =D > > The biggest problem is I want to build my own system and have all brand > components in a sealed package... I do not want to buy used components
etc,
> which might be malfunctioning etc ;)
not
> > (maybe the intel raid controller is better too... who knows ;) but I am > that interested in raid ;) the biggest frustration is the limited i/o
go
> operations of harddisk in general... raid won't help that much... so I'll > with seperate harddisk and a page file on a seperate harddisk ;) and
harddisk
> ofcourse windows software tweaks ;)) > > However I might give raid 0 a try just for kicks to see the transfer speed > etc... maybe to store games on it for faster load times... but the > might not be the problem... maybe it's the decompressing of zip files
etc...
> which means cpu limited etc ;) :)
> > Bye, > Skybuck. > > > They surely will sell the same board with the latest BIOS installed.
> > > > > > da98ia$puc$1@news3.zwoll1.ov.home.nl... > > >
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> > >> > > > >> > It also has 4 sata connectors so I guess that is at least room for > > >> > harddrives ?
sata
> > >> > > >> Each IDE connector can handle 2 drives (master and slave). > > >> > > >> > I am not sure if the sata raid connectors can be used as normal > > >> > connectors ?
board
> > >> > > >> They are not RAID connectors, the are SATA connectors. RAID is a > > >> configuration, not a drive connection type. > > >> > > >> > What if I dont want to use raid ? > > >> > > >> No problem. > > >> > > >> > One last question about this board... > > >> > > > >> > What is the default bios version ? I would like to buy/use this > > > with
> > >> > athlon x2 processor... I dont have any other processors... so > flashing
> > > the
> > >> > bios is not an option for me ;) > > >> > > >> If you want the X2 you need to purchase the board and CPU from a > reatiler
> > >> that will flash the bios with the lastest version or you will be dead
> in
> > > the
> > >> water.Moarch Computer is one vendor who will do this if you ask them > to.
> > >> http://www.monarchcomputer.com
check
> > > > > > Hmm I was thinking about buying all parts seperatly so that I can > if
> > > all parts are new etc... by looking if all packages are closed etc. In
> > > other > > > words I dont want anybody else to mess with my new stuff :) > > > > > > How long before asus ships a new motherboard that supports athlon x2 > > > processors out of the box... that's what I am wondering about =D > > > > > > Bye, > > > Skybuck. > > > > > > > >
> > >
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> vs the intel pentium 4 extreme edition + intel 955x chipset.
>
> I have looked at benchmarks, features, software optimization guides and
> manuals.
>
> In general I like the athlon x2 and nvidia nforce 4 chipset a lot and here
> is why :)
>
> 1. Bios voice stuff:
>
> The coolest thing is the "bios voice reporter stuff".
>
> For example when the keyboard is not plugged in and the voice stuff is
> enabled it will say with a human voice: "no keyboard plugged in" or
> something like that.
>
> There is even a boot option so everytime you boot it says:
>
> "booting computer" or something like that.
>
> It's even possible to replace these voice message with your own voice