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Posted by on July 18, 2005, 11:10 am
Please log in for more thread options multiboot machine crashes in both OSes and gives a multitude of errors - from HDD error to HD not detected in BIOS mode and STOP ERRORs in win2k. Also many general crashes and lockups. The machine has 2 HDs and 1 system fan (rear). The room its in is the coolest in the house, but I guess its still quite hot in there. Does this sound like a heat issue or a HD / motherboard or other issue? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by GT on July 18, 2005, 12:22 pm
Please log in for more thread options The hard disk could be on its way out - most likely going by your error messages - any nasty noises from the drive(s) or erratic performance? ** BACKUP ALL YOUR DATA NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN ** The motherboard could be failing - less likely, but the hard disk is at one end of the EIDE cable and the controller (on the motherboard) is on the other end. Cables don't tend to fail. The RAM could be failing - common problem, but doesn't match your HDD error messages The system could be getting hot - unlikely as you report problems at boot time, when everything is still cold. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by on July 18, 2005, 12:48 pm
Please log in for more thread options > The hard disk could be on its way out - most likely going by your error
> messages - any nasty noises from the drive(s) or erratic performance? Hi - thanks for your reply - the drive (IBM Deskstar 7200rpm maybe 1.5 years old) has always to my knowledge made a few purposeful beeps when it reactivates itself after long idle periods (it was a slave drive in another machine before I moved it). This is think is a standard thing and has always worked fine. The machine its now in, has less cooling and a smaller case and its got warmer lately. The drive did beep several times more than it used to the other day (only happened once), but it was especially hot that day. > ** BACKUP ALL YOUR DATA NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN **
Oh definitely agreed there. > The system could be getting hot - unlikely as you report problems at boot
> time, when everything is still cold. Well the pattern the last few times its happened is that the room gets hot, the pc crashes or displays a message about a HD error. There's nothing in the event log. I reboot straight away. Its still hot, the drive is disabled in the BIOS, I re-enable it, it comes back, reboot, fine for a few hours more. On occasion the machine doesn't detect the drive in the BIOS so I can't use the machine. So I leave it off for several hours. Then it works perfectly - especially at night when its a lot cooler - no error messages and works fine until I switch it off. Hence my inkling its heat-related - the HD is perhaps fine, except possibly when it gets outside of the optimal recommended manufacturers operating temperatures. It must be very hot inside - in fact MBM shows the case to be 50c sometimes and the CPU as 60c ish and the power up to about 80c!!! I don't know if MBM is faulty! But its not that hot when you touch the power supply! Anway - I'm convinced its a heat issue, but can't really put any more fans in - its an old Tiny case that's really badly designed for maximum airflow, so I really don't know what I can do until the hot weather passes...except of course to get outside and enjoy it! Cheers. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by GT on July 18, 2005, 2:18 pm
Please log in for more thread options >> The hard disk could be on its way out - most likely going by your error
>> messages - any nasty noises from the drive(s) or erratic performance? >
> Hi - thanks for your reply - the drive (IBM Deskstar 7200rpm maybe 1.5 > years old) has always to my knowledge made a few purposeful beeps when it > reactivates itself after long idle periods (it was a slave drive in > another machine before I moved it). This is think is a standard thing and > has always worked fine. The machine its now in, has less cooling and a > smaller case and its got warmer lately. The drive did beep several times > more than it used to the other day (only happened once), but it was > especially hot that day. > >> ** BACKUP ALL YOUR DATA NOW WHILE YOU STILL CAN **
>
> Oh definitely agreed there. > >> The system could be getting hot - unlikely as you report problems at boot
>> time, when everything is still cold. >
> Well the pattern the last few times its happened is that the room gets > hot, the pc crashes or displays a message about a HD error. There's > nothing in the event log. I reboot straight away. Its still hot, the drive > is disabled in the BIOS, I re-enable it, it comes back, reboot, fine for a > few hours more. On occasion the machine doesn't detect the drive in the > BIOS so I can't use the machine. So I leave it off for several hours. Then > it works perfectly - especially at night when its a lot cooler - no error > messages and works fine until I switch it off. > > Hence my inkling its heat-related - the HD is perhaps fine, except > possibly when it gets outside of the optimal recommended manufacturers > operating temperatures. It must be very hot inside - in fact MBM shows the > case to be 50c sometimes and the CPU as 60c ish and the power up to about > 80c!!! I don't know if MBM is faulty! But its not that hot when you touch > the power supply! Anway - I'm convinced its a heat issue, but can't really > put any more fans in - its an old Tiny case that's really badly designed > for maximum airflow, so I really don't know what I can do until the hot > weather passes...except of course to get outside and enjoy it! Does sound heat related. A simple test to carry out is run the PC with the top/side of the case off. It is unlikely to overheat if open to the room. If it does starts to fail - touch the hard disk. If it is too hot to touch, then it needs some more cooling, or perhaps it is faulty. I must also say - I have never heard a hard disk beep! It might click and rattle a bit. It is probably the PC speaker that is beeping, if so, then I guess that is the BIOS telling you that the disk is turning off or on. If the drive itself really is beeping, then I would get that checked out - not normal! Are there any fans exhausting from the case at all? (Apart from the PSU). A single 8cm fan at the rear would help. You could always cut a hole in the side of the case and attach a fan there. How about a new case? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Posted by on July 18, 2005, 2:35 pm
Please log in for more thread options > A simple test to carry out is run the PC with the top/side of the case
> off. Yeah - I was thinking I might try that later - I wouldn't want any bugs getting in there though so its no long term solution, but for testing, I'll try it out. > I must also say - I have never heard a hard disk beep! It might click and
> rattle a bit. It is probably the PC speaker that is beeping, if so, then I > guess that is the BIOS telling you that the disk is turning off or on. If > the drive itself really is beeping, then I would get that checked out - > not normal! Oh, I'm not saying for sure its the actual HD, but its the operation of it that somehow generates a beep - its a very minute sound when the device comes out of what I presume is a standby mode (I'm sure most people wouldn't hear it, but its of a very high frequency that I wouldn't imagine a PC speaker making, but that's besides the point - it does sound like its supposed to do it, its far too regular to be a fault, unless its always had the fault!). > Are there any fans exhausting from the case at all? (Apart from the PSU).
Yes, 1 standard 80mm? fan I think. > You could always cut a hole in the side of the case and attach a fan
> there. Sounds drastic - but perhaps necessary because... > How about a new case?
....there's no way I'm transferring all the bits and pieces out to another case! I'd rather wait until winter! Thanks for the troubleshooting tips : ) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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> multiboot machine crashes in both OSes and gives a multitude of errors -
> from HDD error to HD not detected in BIOS mode and STOP ERRORs in win2k.
> Also many general crashes and lockups.
>
> The machine has 2 HDs and 1 system fan (rear). The room its in is the
> coolest in the house, but I guess its still quite hot in there.
>
> Does this sound like a heat issue or a HD / motherboard or other issue?