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Posted by Grinder on June 22, 2005, 2:01 am
Please log in for more thread options tangentially discussed here before, so I thought I might ask: Can I just move my HD, with a Windows 98 se install, into a new PC? The old PC: Compaq Deskpro EN Series Pentium II 233 MHz The new PC (yet to be purchased): Microtel Desktop AMD Sempron 2200+ I wouldn't really be that big of a deal to reinstall after the HDs are put into the new machine, but the current installation is still quite clean, and the new PC does not have a floppy drive. Thanks for entertaining, if you in fact do, this off-topic question. | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Robert Heiling on June 21, 2005, 9:26 pm
Please log in for more thread options I do that sort of thing quite often. One of the drives in this system boots via Bios menu into Win98FE (not SE). It came from an older Athlon 1GHz system that failed. It now runs (not at this very moment) on this late model Compaq Presario Pentium. > The old PC:
> > Compaq Deskpro EN Series > Pentium II 233 MHz Some years ago I moved a drive from a Gateway P-233 to that same Athlon system above. > The new PC (yet to be purchased):
> > Microtel Desktop > AMD Sempron 2200+ > > I wouldn't really be that big of a deal to reinstall after the HDs are > put into the new machine, but the current installation is still quite > clean, and the new PC does not have a floppy drive. It's not always a piece of cake. The biggest problem is finding hardware drivers for the hardware in your new machine. Integrated video & sound need new drivers and many are simply not supported and not available at all for Win98 and it's necessary to play around and find one that works from a different Win. Best to go to manufacturers' websites to see what's available. NDIS has a bug in it for cpu's faster that 2Ghz and needs an updated version. Plus any other hardware that's different and that you need. Watch out for Win98 (can't remember for SE) as it can't support drives over 137GB. If you enjoy that sort of thing, then fine. HTH Bob | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by Pelysma on June 22, 2005, 4:07 pm
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> Properly this is a Windows 98se question, but I've seen this tangentially
> discussed here before, so I thought I might ask: > > Can I just move my HD, with a Windows 98 se install, into a new PC? > > The old PC: > > Compaq Deskpro EN Series > Pentium II 233 MHz > > The new PC (yet to be purchased): > > Microtel Desktop > AMD Sempron 2200+ > > I wouldn't really be that big of a deal to reinstall after the HDs are put > into the new machine, but the current installation is still quite clean, > and the new PC does not have a floppy drive. > > Thanks for entertaining, if you in fact do, this off-topic question. With 98SE this will work. I just retired a Compaq Deskpro EN, combining its parts with those of two other computers into a single tower. Now I can boot W98SE or ME, but that's just a side effect; the SE installation from the Compaq is the one that I'll keep. Both OS's went through the following process on install: When it boots up for the first time it will go through a long series of "Found New Hardware" screens, so you need to either have the installation CD on hand or copy the i386 folder from it to the hard drive before the transplant so you'll have the cabs. Expect the machine to frequently need your manual help finding the files. With Win98SE it does not have to be the same installation disk you used to install the system; the cabs from any Win98SE installation disk will work. This is apparently legal provided the old machine is no longer running that copy of W98. If it is an OEM installation, you lose the support of the OEM provider, but you probably haven't had much for a while anyway. Compaq places the SETUP program for the EN series on the hard disk drive instead of in a firmware chip. This will not be a problem for your new computer, which will ignore it, but if you put another drive in the older one you'll need to go through some hoops to restore it. -- P. | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by kony on June 22, 2005, 4:32 pm
Please log in for more thread options On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:01:58 GMT, Grinder
>Properly this is a Windows 98se question, but I've seen this
>tangentially discussed here before, so I thought I might ask: > >Can I just move my HD, with a Windows 98 se install, into a new PC? yes, if done properly it is certainly do-able. >
>The old PC: > >Compaq Deskpro EN Series >Pentium II 233 MHz > >The new PC (yet to be purchased): > >Microtel Desktop >AMD Sempron 2200+ > >I wouldn't really be that big of a deal to reinstall after the HDs are >put into the new machine, but the current installation is still quite >clean, and the new PC does not have a floppy drive. > >Thanks for entertaining, if you in fact do, this off-topic question. 1) Obtain all patches for Win98SE and apply them now, prior to swapping the drive. 2) Put a folder on the drive with all the newer drivers needed, in it. Mainly you need a "connectivity" driver, the method to obtain any further drivers. For example this could be a network adapter driver, or modem driver, etc. Doing at least this much makes it easier to get the rest of the drivers later if you decided to... I suggest you do use the newest drivers right at first, NOT the old ones that come on a motherboard CD. 3) Uinstall any drivers that apply only to the old system, as well as any types of hardware monitor software or "tweaking" apps. It's not necessary to disable things loading with MSCONFIG, but it wouldn't hurt either. In particular you want all drivers in Add/Remove programs, uninstalled. This should be done on the last time you boot your system, all of them at that point. If it prompts that you need to reboot to finish, you dont' have to yet, can swap the motherboard before doing that. 4) Go into the registry (run Regedit.exe) and select the [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ENUM] key. With it highlighted, delete that entire key. It is easier to delete the entire key than going through it and deleting everything but a few items, BUT it is then _necessary_ to add back a couple of items, this step can't be skipped for modern (sound cards in particular) items to work later. The registry information that needs added back is this, which is same thing in a regostry file you can simply copy to the drive before swapping the board, then merge it anytime after deleting the "ENUM" key. ------------------------------- REGEDIT4 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\Root\SwEnum] [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\Root\SwEnum00] "HardwareID"="SWENUM" "Capabilities"=hex:14,00,00,00 "ClassGUID"="" "Class"="SYSTEM" "Driver"="SYSTEM01" "ConfigFlags"=hex:00,40,00,00 "Mfg"="Microsoft" "DeviceDesc"="Plug and Play Software Device Enumerator" "Serial"=hex:00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00 ------------------------------ As mentioned, all of the above is in this reg file: http://69.36.189.159/usr_1034/Win98_WDM_Sound.reg 5) Shut off system, swap the drive, boot the new system. It'll detect a lot of hardware, you'll reboot a few times. Any drivers you don't have, you can skip for the moment, coming back to them later if necessary. Until a certain point in the redetection (and a reboot later) you will not have use of the CDROM/DVD/etc drive yet. This means that if you had previously inserted the WIn98 disc anytime Windows needed make OS changes, you should FIRST, prior to swapping the drive, create a folder on the hard drive and copy the Win98 CD's "Win98" folder to it. By doing so you then can point windows to these files instead of having to provide the WIn98 disc (while the optical drives aren't functional yet). Some video drivers (and perhaps sound) may require newer DirectX version than WIn98 used. If this is the case, download the newest DirectX from Microsoft and install it after swapping the drive into the new system. You could install it before the swap, but just as well afterwards, after a reboot or two. These steps should pretty much cover the entire swap, at this point it's similar enough to installing Windows clean, you simply install the drivers as you would then. Provided you have installed the Win98SE patches first and (re)added the above metioned registry entries, there is no reason to believe ANY system that could run Win98SE as a fresh install, won't work afterwards. It's possible I've overlooked minor details, but nothing crucial AFAIK... the above has worked with 100% success rate. | ||||||||||||||||
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Posted by kony on June 22, 2005, 10:13 pm
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> It's possible I've
>overlooked minor details, but nothing crucial AFAIK... In retrospect, one detail I did overlook is that after the first reboot or two, it is often necessary to go into Device Manager, and delete the legacy/generic devices used before the OS redetected the new devices. In other words, wherever there are multiple entries for the same device (type) with one of them being flagged as problematic, Delete _both_ entries, for all such occurances, then reboot. At that point of rebooting, the OS will then redetect only the proper device. This step would typically be done after at least the first reboot or two, and double-checked once it appears the entire OS migration is complete and you're "finished". | ||||||||||||||||
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> tangentially discussed here before, so I thought I might ask:
>
> Can I just move my HD, with a Windows 98 se install, into a new PC?