Ethernet LAN Switch Question

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Switch Question Andy Ball 07-22-05
Posted by Andy Ball on July 22, 2005, 10:47 am
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Hello,

I have a hypothetical question with practical implications: Two
computers, 'A' and 'B', are plugged into a 100baseTX switch. Computer
'A' has a 100baseTX interface and computer 'B' has a 10baseT card.
When 'A' is talking to 'B' through the switch, does it send its frames
at the slower 10 Mbit/sec rate, or does it send to the switch at the
full 100 Mbit/sec and the switch shift it out slower to 'B'?

- Andy Ball


Posted by James Knott on July 22, 2005, 10:30 am
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Andy Ball wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I have a hypothetical question with practical implications: Two
> computers, 'A' and 'B', are plugged into a 100baseTX switch. Computer
> 'A' has a 100baseTX interface and computer 'B' has a 10baseT card.
> When 'A' is talking to 'B' through the switch, does it send its frames
> at the slower 10 Mbit/sec rate, or does it send to the switch at the
> full 100 Mbit/sec and the switch shift it out slower to 'B'?

"A" will send at the full rate. If the switch doesn't use flow control, the
buffers will eventually fill and frames will be lost. However, the TCP
protocol also has it's own flow control mechanisms, that cause it to back
off, when switch congestion causes delays or lost frames. This will reduce
the amount of data that "A" tries to send through the switch.



Posted by James Knott on July 22, 2005, 10:42 am
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James Knott wrote:

> Andy Ball wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a hypothetical question with practical implications: Two
>> computers, 'A' and 'B', are plugged into a 100baseTX switch. Computer
>> 'A' has a 100baseTX interface and computer 'B' has a 10baseT card.
>> When 'A' is talking to 'B' through the switch, does it send its frames
>> at the slower 10 Mbit/sec rate, or does it send to the switch at the
>> full 100 Mbit/sec and the switch shift it out slower to 'B'?
>
> "A" will send at the full rate. If the switch doesn't use flow control,
> the
> buffers will eventually fill and frames will be lost. However, the TCP
> protocol also has it's own flow control mechanisms, that cause it to back
> off, when switch congestion causes delays or lost frames. This will
> reduce the amount of data that "A" tries to send through the switch.

Forgot to mention: look up IEEE 802.3x flow control. This flow control
mechanism uses a "pause" MAC control frame to tell another device to stop
sending for a specified period of time. However, flow control is optional,
so not all switches use it.



Posted by anoop on July 26, 2005, 12:19 pm
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James Knott wrote:

> Forgot to mention: look up IEEE 802.3x flow control. This flow control
> mechanism uses a "pause" MAC control frame to tell another device to stop
> sending for a specified period of time. However, flow control is optional,
> so not all switches use it.

It's optional at 100 Mbps but mandatory at 1 Gbps and above.

However, most folks caution against enabling 802.3x for any ports
other than those connected directly to an end-station because
it causes head of line (HOL) blocking.

Anoop



Posted by Andy Ball on July 26, 2005, 6:59 pm
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Hello James,

JK> Forgot to mention: look up IEEE 802.3x flow control.
> This flow control mechanism uses a "pause" MAC control
> frame to tell another device to stop sending for a
> specified period of time. However, flow control is
> optional, so not all switches use it.

Thanks, that's useful information. Something to look for on
switch data sheets too.

- Andy.


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