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Re: Empirical Beliefs & Hypothesis; Do they terminate in some beliefs that need no further justification, go on infinitely - on belief being justified by other that then need justification, or circle back upon itself in some way - constituting a sort o Sevenhundred Elves 08-22-08
Posted by Sevenhundred Elves on August 22, 2008, 3:29 am
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:05:34 -0700, John Larkin

>On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:16:58 -0500, Publius
>
>>806e-dc4d6d752c84@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> A central concept in science and the scientific method is that all
>>> evidence must be empirical, or empirically based, that is, dependent
>>> on evidence or consequences that are observable by the senses.
>>> Empirical data are data that are produced by experiment or
>>> observation.
>>>
>>> "Empirical" as an adjective or adverb is used in conjunction with both
>>> the natural and social sciences, and refers to the use of working
>>> hypotheses that are testable using observation or experiment. In this
>>> sense of the word, scientific statements are subject to and derived
>>> from our experiences or observations.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical
>>>
>>> 1. Suppose, that there are basic empirical beliefs, that is, emperical
>>> beliefs (a) which are epistemically justified, and (b) whose
>>> justification does not depend on that of any further emperical
>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>> 2. For a belief to be episemically justified requires that there be a
>>> reason why it is likely to be true.
>>>
>>> 3. A belief is justified for a person only if he is in cognitive
>>> possession of such a reason.
>>>
>>> 4. A person is in cognitive possession of such a reason only if he
>>> believes with justification the premises from which it follows that
>>> the belief is likely to be true.
>>>
>>> 5. The premises of such a justifying argument must include at least
>>> one empirical premise.
>>>
>>> 6. So, the justification of a supposed basic empirical belief depends
>>> on the justification of at least one other empirical belief,
>>> contradicting 1.
>>>
>>> 7. So, there can be no basic empirical beliefs.
>>>
>>> This seems to eliminate the possibility of emperical justification of
>>> any and all emperical beliefs. But it can lead to this untruthfullness
>>> of human beliefs in three ways which deal with the apparent "regress"
>>> of one belief depending upon another which depends upon another and so
>>> on:
>>>
>>> If the regress of emperical justification does not terminate in basic
>>> emperical beliefs, then it must either:
>>>
>>> (1) terminate in unjustified beleifs
>>>
>>> (2) go on infinitely (without circularity)
>>>
>>> (3) circle back upon itself in some way.
>>
>>The argument goes astray with #4. If I perceive a red apple, then I believe
>>the apple perceived is red. That belief is not a conclusion derived from
>>any premises, but from the percept itself. Empirical beliefs are self-
>>justifying; I cannot doubt that I am perceiving something red in the shape
>>of an apple. I may well have doubts about what causes that percept, but I
>>cannot doubt that I have it. What may be causing it is another question.
>
>What causes "red" is the predominant wavelength of the light that
>bounces off the apple. That can be measured and quantified, if there's
>any doubt.
>
>There's nothing subjective about "red."

I beg to differ. Colour perception is not merely an act of measuring
wavelengths. Take a look at this interesting optical illusion:

http://www.grand-illusions.com/opticalillusions/square/

Not only colour, but even our perception of lightness/darkness is
influenced by circumstances surrounding the observation:

http://www.grand-illusions.com/opticalillusions/chequer_board/

And here's a peculiar one:

http://www.grand-illusions.com/opticalillusions/disappearing_colours/

>
>You'll never get anything done if you keep getting tangled up in
>fuzziness.
>
>John

It's a fuzzy world we live in...

S.

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